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You really think that's a good idea? Do you think really Ashley will negotiate with King ? I fear Ashley will go for the nucleur option. He has nothing to lose and doesn't believe King has 5m (as do I)

We are using the money, if not used it, but MA can only get it back if we default on it, which is unlikely. He'll need to negotiate if he wants his money back. Great idea.

It's another modern practice that should be implemented at Rangers; one of many I might add. We need to modernise, and perhaps find a niche, because there is no way we can compete with most clubs that should our direct rivals (not just in Britain, but Europe also).

5million probably means nothing to him as would putting us into administration as a result.

If King has the money some say he has he should pay Ashley his money back

I wouldn't. There's no interest and no timescale for repayment. It's 'free' cash, we may as well use it. Moreover, I believe King is using it as leverage to renegotiate the retail deals. Shrewd move IMO.

I think he's got a point. I thought he was injured, but if he wasn't, then why leave him out when the other strikers were doing so poorly? He was a decent target-man--ironically we might have suited him with the long-balls we were playing.

There's no need to have a go at King though: he's not picking the team. King is entirely correct in stating they failed.

The King interview on Rangers TV was better than the press conference.

It occurred to me that King wants to keep the loan at the minute as leverage. He sees the loan not in isolation but as linked to the SD deal. The loan is interest free and there is no timescale (I think?), so what's the harm in taking his money? We want to renegotiate the retail deal, and now we have leverage.

sorry was making the dinner.

 

only three of them were bought from scottish sides for a total £4m+ with no return. not to mention the fact the football played by that side was poor. Long diagonal balls to the wings is not for me. Its that sort of footballing philosophy i fear going back too.

 

That team is the exact thing i never want to see again.

 

vastly over paid average players.

3? I only get 2 bought from Scottish sides.

I think the poor football was a consequence of management rather than the players per se. I think they were capable of better. I think that's true of any future player, regardless of nationality: a better coach/manager will allow them to play better football.

I always think a team should have a core of domestic/national players, but I take your point that many are not of the standard we'd like to see. However, a core, or spine, of domestic/national players doesn't necessarily mean they are the 'creative' players, simply the backbone of the side; theoretically, you'd acquire better, more creative players to add flair.

6 seconds of porn I could come twice with that.

Maybe not the fun I had in mind! You get some funny clips:

Dream on! He's been training with Lazio.

OK, he is on more than we can afford! My point was his mental problems might mean he has to take a step down (with a pay cut), would you take a gamble on him?

As has been said above: the questions from the journalists were ridiculous, mostly based on their own wild speculations. Clueless. I've seen better questions posed on this thread.

I was not encouraged by his comment that previous managers had been identifying potential signing targets.

I know what you mean, but He did then say ultimately it'll be down to the new manager. I don't have a problem with some targets being drawn up--I think he mentioned players that were available, which is not a specific target as such.

King has never heard of Mark Wotte...

That was brilliant! All these journalists assume they know what's going on, and then for Dave to just brush that aside. Brilliant.

I know Ravel Morrison has his problems--not to mention he's probably on more than we can afford--, but would anyone take a gamble on him? Talented boy.

I always thought Jack Collison looked decent also.

You could also just go to the English language version: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/vertragslosespieler

I know I have been hard on Warburton but we really need to give any new manager a chance whoever it is. To say I won't give Rangers my support because xxxx is manager actually says more about the person than the manager I am afraid. You can't hang a man before he has committed a crime.

I'm so glad you said that. I am somewhat sympathetic to your view--the lack of experience etc.--as I've mentioned before, but I believe the record is, not irrelevant as such, but not that important because I think he has the skills we require; I'd rather have the skills rather than experience. I have no time for individuals who say "I won't give Rangers my support because xxxx is manager", without providing a proper reason; as you say, it says a lot about the individual.

We need to give any new manager or full support and time to implement his philosophy.

Can you post vines? On reading the OP I had the vine of Sam Allardyce laughing at a player's dive and getting no sympathy come to my mind.

I thought of this when I read the OP (just substitute Chico Flores for Guidetti):

Excellent--we can have some fun with them!

Can you post vines? On reading the OP I had the vine of Sam Allardyce laughing at a player's dive and getting no sympathy come to my mind.

I'd imagine taking into account Stu's ability to turn around the 'feel good factor' along with the feeling when the new board took control that there is no need for change in the managerial department.

 

We all want a different approach, a different route for Rangers, a different philosophy, but we don't really need that in Scotland because the game up here is stagnant it's been like that for years. The only difference is Celtic will win it and we wont because of where we are.

 

McCoist was a bad manager in our predicament, in hindsight probably the last bloke any club in the world would want in charge of team duties and going for it. A lot of bull served up to us since Walter and co done the same with us though furnished with bucket loads of success.

 

I'm trying not to repeat myself here, just cementing my word. Stuart McCall should be given a chance like everyone else has.

 

Changing the manager I'm all for, but not for the reasons suggested above. Instant success has never been afforded to McCall like his predecessors. So, IF the board decide to stick with McCall for next season we should all get behind him. That's all.

For me, McCall is an old-school coach like the others we've had over the last 10 years. He may be a better coach than most of what we've had, but he, IMO, is just a different shade of what we've had. I'm not criticising the job he's done: I believe he's done the best he could. If he did get the job, and was able to build is own side, I don't see how we'd be any better than we have been over the last 10 years? He may get us winning, but it'd be awful football that's stuck in the past.

I appreciate your point that we may not need a different philosophy in Scotland because it is a stagnant football culture. However, how is it ever going to change if someone doesn't develop a different way? We all want to see good football, but that'll not happen with an old-school Scottish manager (not specifically McCall). We have an opportunity to rebuild our whole infrastructure, and I cannot understand why anyone would simply want to recreate the same inefficient and unsuccessful infrastructure--for that's what it was--we had before; is that not the stagnation you we're highlighting?

I've always said we need to change our set-up and outlook, I've been saying it for the last 10-15 years, but now we actually have an opportunity to progress and develop something better. I hope we take it. Repeating the same things over and over again, but hoping for something different is the definition of madness.

Experience doesn't necessarily translate into skills. A manager with the experience and the skills we require is not available for being far too expensive, and they will generally play a type of old-school football that is awful to watch a la Walter, McLeish, McCall etc. We need a younger coach with a modern, progressive philosophy. I'd rather have a man with the skills to do the job in a progressive way, rather than an old-school manager with the experience. I believe Warburton and Cathro have the skills, although Cathro less than Warburton; either would be a good appointment. Can we get both? (Too far...?)

I'm not sure of Vitor Pereira simply because his track record consists of going to clubs that have a chance of winning leagues with money to spend, so I'm not sure how that is anything like our current situation.

Count me in for next season!

As has been said by others, Cathro is IMHO at this moment and time (in his career) the man for this particular job.

He excites me, but I question whether he is ready for the magnitude of this job. He certainly has skills that I would want, but I'm not sure about the range of skills. I think perhaps Warburton has more skills.

He has managed at the level he has, not winning trophies, because he is a poor manager. Do you really think 7 wins out of 17 and getting battered by Motherwell is a good job?

We've discussed this before. I suppose you're right: the metric of trophies won is indicative of the level at which he has managed. However, Gordon Strachan or Walter Smith, for example, can win nothing in England, but win a lot in Scotland, so I don't think it's indicative of ability as such. Do you think that a manager that has won lots of trophies in Scotland is better or worse than a manger that has led a EPL side to top 10?

He ultimately failed, but I still maintain he did an OK (I'll revise down my estimation from 'Good') job with the resources he had available.

I am not sure what is changing your mind or making you like him more but I am afraid it will take more than a few people bumming him up in the media to convince me. All the bumming up does not give him a better record or more experience. I personally would prefer someone that has a good track record and been successful at doing a rebuilding job Someone like Henk ten Kate who is sitting at home. He is known to be a good tactician and has managed Ajax and Barcelona(ass,) He will know how their youth systems are built up. Warburton Just doesn't tick many boxes for me. After Whyte and all the stock market thieves we have had I am also not sure I want another stock market person at our club.

I never said he had a good record or lots of experience, in fact I've been openly critical of both his experience and his managerial record. What I did say was he appears to have the skills we require. I want someone that can do the job. He seems to run a tight ship, brings in youth, develops players, plays a 4-3-3 (according to a former player--who better as a witness?), plays 'triangles' in possession and builds from the back, likes lots of shots on target and crosses, and his financial past suggests he can deal with the pressure. He's not quite a 'star' name, but, to me, he appears to have the skills that we require, and most importantly, he looks like a credible target.

I'm still more excited by Ian Cathro, but, on reflection, I'm not sure he has the skills.

I'm not taking a swipe, but I'm not sure what Henk Ten Cate brings to the table? Good tactician he may be, but he's been working with the best teams, and I'm not sure he knows how to rebuild a club as such. Moreover, HTC doesn't actually have the record you advocate, because he has only managed Ajax and Panathanaikos at the top level (the rest being assistant jobs). He is a bit of a drifter recently, so perhaps he could be a target. I would certainly trust him to get the team playing well, but I'm not sure about rebuilding the clubs infrastructure.

The more I read about Warburton the more impressed I become. He appears to have the skills. Get him signed Dave!

It's amazing what you can publish when you reference 'in-house' sources ("*insert newspaper here* understands..."). Tripe. Like any University assignment, a paper should fully reference their sources.

I doubt that McInnes is even in the picture despite every 'paper' under the sun wheeling that line out. As for Walter Smith... I'm not going to dignify that with a response.