Rousseau

I thought it was really well written. The subject was always going to be interesting, but the depth was really surprising: analysing Sir David Of Weirs character etc. A lot more intelligent in his footballing philosophy than I had originally expected. Future Manager?

Interesting draw for them. I'm curious to see how they do against Ajax. We're quick to suggest Dutch sides play better football and are a level above, so it'll be interesting to see the gap; or if indeed there is one.

That's ridiculous. A team buying one of their rivals' best players? Immoral.

Seems unfair that seeding: it's stacked in favour of the Premiership sides. Nevertheless, I'll take anyone other than C*****.

Thanks for the replies! It's all very confusing.

I thought that similarly 'ranked' teams (teams with a similar co-efficient) would play each other, otherwise it seems unfair? So, in a pure hypothetical situation: if every side was ranked according to their co-efficient (doesn't matter where/how the points are acquired), then seeded with similarly ranked sides. So we, because of our poor rank, would go into pot 5 say (pot 1 = CL group, pot 2 = play-off, pot 3 = 3rd QR, pot 4 = 2nd QR, pot 5 = 1st QR), and we'd then play those poor pot 5 sides in the 1st QR and move on to play pot 4 sides etc. as we win each round. Our level (the quality of our side) might actually be pot 2, but because the co-efficient is so low we get demoted down. Therefore, in that situation, would it not be better to win the every round until the play-offs, rather than entering at the play-offs an losing?

I suppose then it matters where/how the points are acquired? Is it more for entering and losing at the play-offs, or more for winning 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds then losing? But then according to Calscot, one gets points depending on where you exit, so it would actually be better to enter the play-offs and lose rather than win 3 rounds. So, actually, we do need the co-efficient to be better, to get more points. Seems very unfair.

However, it is down to us. We have to make sure we are better, and have to try to get as far as possible.

But that's kind of the point. Halliday wasn't doing that either. If you are going to have a true DM and only playing with two CB's and expecting width from your full backs then the DM MUST be prepared to sit - Halliday wasn't just sitting but was also pushing forward - and when play broke down it went beyond him fairly quickly, which meant the two CB's had no cover at all, thus creating huge chasms on either flank as they couldn't give up the space through the middle.

 

I think this might be why Warburton wants Eustace in, because he will have the proper discipline (plus his legs wont hold up being box-to-box) to play right in front of the back 2.

I agree with you. I thought you were suggesting that a fullback hold back while the other bombs forward, but, like I said, that results in less width; it works best when you have two going forward stretching the pitch, which then allows a lot more space for the wingers. Halliday is not a DM; he is an attacking midfield player (he even played winger on occasion at previous clubs!). We do need a sitting midfielder.

My head says this is crap for Scottish football, my heart says GIRFUY!!

On a more serious note: perhaps BH can enlighten me, would it not be better for us to end up playing several poor teams (because of the poor Co-efficient) and beating most of them, rather than playing fewer games? In other words, would it not be better for our Co-efficient to win 1st, 2nd, 3rd qualifying round matches, rather than losing 1 play-off game?

I hate to mention the 'A' word, but it just ocurred to me: could we not have used McGregor as a extra enticement to Hibs, plus a wee 100k?

The defence is still working its way into the new system. What really SHOULD be happening is that when Wallace gets forward the two CB's plus Tavernier should be "shifting" across to cover the exposed space, and the sitting midfielder should be looking to close down any counter attack and hold up play till Wallace recovers. Likewise when Tavernier gets forward Wallace shouldn't be as advanced as Tavernier and be ready to get back to cover the space as soon as play breaks down.

 

What I saw on Sunday was our 2 CB's playing singularly in their positions, effectively leaving the exposed space to Wallace & Tavernier to get back themselves and cover, on top of that the full back who wasn't assisting the attack wasn't getting back quick enough to plug the exposed space - it meant we left chasms of space at the back which were exposed by Hibs (better finishing could have meant a different result).

 

But I'm not going to get too bothered by it as it is fairly clear Warburton & Weir will have them working on this in the coming weeks.

 

Funnily enough, the RFC coach that had my kid's team in Canada last week spoke exactly about this when utilizing the "U shape" formation at the back, using 2 wing backs.

Maybe, but you want the width. Maybe, split the CB and drop the DM into a third CB slot like Busquets at Barca; that would get add defensive cover and allow us to have the width.

Never a great player, but I'll not see a bad word said about him: tried his best, honest, did his job well enough. He was good in League 1, but poor in Champ (he had that injury as well IIRC?). I don't think it was solely down to the players though: the tactics, the confidence, the off-field problems created an absolute mess. I'm pleased to see most sticking up for the guy.

Never a great player -- first touch is abysmal! I think his reputation was ruined the last two years, simply because the tactics McCoist employed did not suit him (nothing new there!). We also must remember that at QotS he played almost every minute, and everyone was probably giving him the ball: the tactics were arranged to suit him. Like I said, he's not a great player, but I think he'd still score a few goals if he played every minute and the strategy was to provide him with the ball in the box -- he scored against Ayr (aye, ok...) when played in his preferred position. That will not happen now; he's a bit-part player now.

I agree with Craig: it was probably as exciting as a 0-0 gets. Saying that, I hate open games, because it always suggests a lack of control and defensive organisation.

Arsenal annoy me, and Gary Neville was right when he suggested Arsene's problem is arrogance. They know the problems (DM, CB, and a top quality Striker etc.), but Arsene fails to change. Also he keeps putting in 3 (4 including Cazorla in that deeper role) number 10s in the midfield, all coming inside. I agreed with Carra when he said that Arsenal always used to play direct. It wasn't a long ball, it was quick passes played forward whenever there was an opportunity. Nowadays they pass around, trying to walk the ball into the net. I loved Arsenal of the early 00's, but now I really dislike them. The possessional (is that a word?) control of the game is great -- I like that --, but it doesn't negate the need for pragmatic defensive organisation and decision-making, and it doesn't mean you are going to win the game. It's as if they are looking for beauty over result. The beauty pointless without the result.

Interesting point Thierry made about Arsenal changing to a more possession game because of Fabregas. Instead of a direct 4-4-2 they went possession-based 4-3-3.

(I love MNF!)

I'm gutted for the big man, but if he wasn't going to get a game then fair enough. He wasn't great with the ball at his feat, so isn't really W&W material. Good servant last year, but at 30 he needs to be playing. I get the sense that he wasn't trying to take a wage for nothing. He'll get a half-decent Premiership club.

I thought the midfield 3 were disappointing today against Hibs -- far too static, and didn't make themselves available. We need someone to come on to shape things up -- Shiels is not the answer. This kid could be a great addition.

No wonder: McCulloch was playing! And Smith! And Boyd! Slow as stop. Feel the pain, but isn't it interesting that we were complaining about the same things! It seems a team is poor because of the same reasons. Perhaps it's pure frustration that makes us sprout the same p***, but it does annoy me.

TBH, Locke is not management material...

I actually enjoyed the MU-NU game: quite tactical I thought. MU were superior in the first-half, but NU managed to organise themselves better for the second. MU just couldn't score -- which I suppose is the object of the game --; there was some nice play, 80% possession at times, but they just couldn't score. They look good defensively, but of course, they haven't came up against the big side yet. I think they'll do well and I think they'll finish higher than last year, but they're not title-contenders.

In general it's too early to start making predictions. MC were good last year for spells, but just slipped up in key games; it looks like they've started well this year, but it's only 3 games in. Chelsea will get better, but there is no doubt they're lacking form. Mourinho made the decision to try to get back into the game against MC, taking off Terry for more pace because he had to play a high line (we know how Terry is in a high line!); and the full-backs were a lot further forward. It was no surprise Chelsea conceded more goals in that second half. It wouldn't have happened if it was 0-0 at half-time. Mourinho excelled at the big games last year, but his players, namely Ramires and Fabregas, let him down. I do think they need to invest, at least freshen things up a little; otherwise they'll find it a lot more difficult than last year.

Whatever way you want to look at it, the football we played under Smith and Ally was dreadful, aside from the tail end of 2010/11. This is the same football Calscot spent years defending (and rarely watched), hence why he is trying to save face. What we are seeing now is vibrant, exciting and a joy to behold. We will be entertained now simply because we are playing entertaining football with a positive outlook.

 

If one of our players wants to do a rainbow flick or similar move when we are destroying the opposition, that's wonderful. You will find Eden Hazard regularly doing the same.

I think we were debating the type of 'entertainment'. Do we watch football to be entertained by a rainbow flick that does nothing to influence the result, or by soaking up the visceral feeling of the competition and win? I'm the latter. I can be entertained, or appreciate, a rainbow flick, but if it does nothing to get the win, then I'd rather not see it. If we get the flick and the win, then great!

Football like all real sport is not entertainment in itself, it's more of an experience of the competition, and when you support someone or a team, there is also an emotional reaction. In that way it's more art than entertainment.

Ooh, I like that analogy: I appreciate a work of Art, but I'm not 'entertained' by it; likewise, I appreciate a rainbow flick, but I'm not 'entertained' as such unless it plays a part in the eventual win. Have I got that right?

I've argued before that we don't watch Rangers to be 'entertained', rather to be apart of the visceral experience of the competition.

I am more than willing to welcome talented young kids that will entertain, but I feel uncomfortable having too many in the first team; we just lose them after the loan ends and have to replace them, which is no way to build/develop a team.

I'd feel differently if we had the option to sign them permanently at the end of the loan period. Is Gedion Z (not even attempting the last name!) available on a permanent deal, or Oduwa, Ball?

you must be joking.

I explain why I think that. Perhaps my wording is imprecise, but essentially I see those players doing the same as last year, but with the team around them more suitable to their game. I don't think they're necessarily playing that much better -- I'll admit they may be -- but the team around them is better, and the way they play means their performances are more effective.

The Kanchelskis 'trick', as awesome as it was, was pure showboating, whereas Oduwa was trying to beat the player; is one not meant to use ones skills to beat a player?

Our attacking football it leaves the centre-backs exposed. Barcelona are exposed at the back, when someone can get the ball! At this level, as long as we score more goals than the opposition I'm content. It's about winning the league and getting promotion. That's all that matters.

For the bigger games, we'll need a defensive/holding midfielder; Warburton has already suggested as much with Eustace. We'll need a stabalising force, and an extra man in there to cover. Law, Holt and Halliday seem to interchange, but neither are defensive. We need a Busquets-type player: defensive, with the ability to keep the ball moving with short passing.

We must also remember that centre-back pairings take time to settle.

I don't think the players mentioned -- Law, Wallace and Miller -- have been any better, in terms of their performance, than last year. I still see the same things from Wallace, Law and Miller. I think what is different is the way the team around them play. They are more structured, and more aware of what each has to do. Wallace always bombed forward, but for a lack of passing options -- the wee one-two -- he always ended up crossing/chipping the ball into the box. Now there are passing options, and therefore we see more effective moves. Law and Miller are the same: playing within a more organised and capable team allows their qualities to become effective also. I remember Kenny always coming deep to receive the ball and -- with his awful control -- he always ended up losing it. Now he can get on the end of things, and if he does come deep there are passing options and one-twos available so he doesn't have to have the ball for long. I think they are playing similarly to last year, but the team around them is better organised and more effective in their attacking, allowing what these guys did last year to be more effective.

I don't want to get carried away, but I can see us absolutely hammering a team this year; of course, everything has to go right, but I can see it happening.

I actually agree that he is a level below the players mentioned, at least in terms of physical ability; his technical ability is up there though IMO. I'd like to see him play, but if not, then it's beneficial for him to go out on loan to another Championship club. He's 20, so he doesn't have the luxury of being on the bench.