Rousseau

I don't believe anything until it's on SSN...

..or the Rangers website (usually in that order, because Rangers can be a tad late in getting info out).

Aye Rodgers has a great European record....

Aye, you're right -- but that's not exactly what I meant...

Murty to fill in meanwhile ?....he did ok last time

"he did ok last time"...?

None of the names mentioned excite me. They're all old-fashioned, reactive British managers that don't really have a clue about the way the game is played in Europe or the way the game is going. (Rodgers is one of the few that does know this philosophy, unfortunately...).

I think we need a German-style coach: they have a modern passing, proactive philosophy, and an intensity that will adapt to our game. Wagner and Farke are doing very well at Huddersfield and Norwich, respectively. Does Thomas Tuchel not want to take a step down... or Nagelsmann??

I do see, and accept, the need for a 'steady hand' but I can't really see that 'steady hand' taking us forward. Moreover, Rodgers will trounce any 'steady hand', IMO...

Jack was playing very well last night, recovering the ball 4-5 times from what I recall; he was tidy on the ball too. He was stupid at the red card.

Jack's not your new Miler is he?

The refereeing was abysmal -- you couldn't write it. It's a penalty, albeit a soft one, but he dithers for ages before going over to the linesman. Kirk steps/stamps (whatever?) towards Jack's foot several times. Jack pushes, or certainly makes a movement with his legs -- not sure what it was tbh? -- and Kirk goes down holding his face!? There's a big stamash, that takes an age to sort out -- the players weren't even that aggressive -- before Jack gets a yellow. 2 minutes pass -- still waiting to take the penality -- before the referee stops and goes over to give Jack a red. He probably deserved a red, but that refereeing is just incompetent.

It's not the reason we couldn't see out the game, but it certainly contributed to the way the game ended: anyone waiting 9 minutes to take a penalty is under serious pressure, and the 10 men and the players all bunched up field. The game was drifting anyway, and was slipping well before.

I've lost patience. Ironically, I don't think it was Pedro's fault: We were humiliated, despite playing OK, against Motherwell and I fully expected a reaction; there was none. I'd sack every player, but ultimately it has to be the manager that takes the blame. We are utterly demoralised. It's only going to take a new manager to refresh us.

My patience is waver thin. I'm not seeing the progress any more.

Is it not the DoF's role to now pick the next manager?

Interestingly, he said that we'll change to a 1-2 triangle, instead of a 2-1; so it'll be Dorrans and Holt in front of Jack holding. I think a few were suggesting that.

Pena is injured.

I think there is a mistake there: Alves is playing, according to the other line-up:

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The bottom line is Pena is garbage and offers nothing as said we need someone to support Morelos through the centre of attack,so formation needs to be 4-4-2 to be effective.

4 goals in 9 games is not bad for a player that "is garbage and offers nothing"...

The Motherwell game was probably the first game I've seen where Pena didn't get up to support Morelos; their link-up play has been great at times.

Alves' retrospective ban was not unexpected, but the lack of consistency is particularly galling and infuriating.

I know the Michael Laudrup suggestion was in jest on your timeline, Frankie, but that would be an inspiring choice. He fit into Swansea's philosophy very well, adapting what they had; he's won leagues and reached cup finals; and needs to rebuild his reputation. He'd need money, though.

With Kenny Mclean confirming he's leaving Aberdeen next summer, what's the odds on him signing in January for the same manager he's playing for now...?

I'd take McLean; decent player that knows how to play in the league. At the very least it weakens them.

But...

In terms of replacements, it seems McInnes and Allardyce are the clear favourites from those suggested.

I think you mean:

I agree Dorrans played his best game against Hamilton with Holt beside him, but could that have been a one off? I like Jack a lot, so I wouldn't like to see him dropped.

Putting Holt or Dorrans in the No.10 slot is unappealing to me: neither can really cause damage in the box like Pena can. A Holt or Dorrans with Pena's aerial ability would be some No.10!

A 3-5-2 has always sounded intriguing, but PC seems to use it as a defensive system. A midfield three of Dorrans, Jack and Holt sounds interesting; Pena could play further forward too, as a second striker so he doesn't have to get involved in the build-up -- he's not a bad presser, Pena.

In terms of replacements, it seems McInnes and Allardyce are the clear favourites from those suggested.

Where did you watch it mate? I can’t see it on the official youtube

Post #20 above.

As Bill -- and FS -- touched on above, is the success we want for our team achievable in the course of a window? I'm not sure what those advocating Pedro's removal are hoping for? Many suggest it'll take a few windows, but we don't give them that now -- our minds are made up after our first defeat.

Koeman is a sitter for the Dutch job. Frank de Boer is still free though.

Is Dick a stop-gap?

I'm not too enthusiastic about FdB...

If we had took our chances we might have won that game, if had won it how many would still be moaning about Motherwell's thuggery and the referee's seemingly blindness to it? I would be win or lose our players getting assaulted is never acceptable, i think most of us would agree, hopefully?

I think I'd be moaning regardless. Like I've said, both Cardoso and Moult went down with head-knocks, drawing blood, and he played on. Irrespective of the result, it was abysmal refereeing and dangerous.

We were dealing with the physicality well - Cardoso and Morelos certainly gave it out too -- until they scored a couple; then we chucked it.

People are rightly furious at the standard of Refereeing, but I don't think we're -- or hope not -- suggesting that it's the reason we lost. We played well, but didn't take our chances.

Koeman's now available...

I don't think you can compare last season and this. Last season's spell was not his squad, and we were playing with youngsters for the majority of it.

There's definite progress; but it's clearly not enough for those that expect us to be beating everyone under the sun. We do need to start showing consistency in our results, for longer spells.

I get frustrated at the result influencing the perceived performance of the players. Just because we win doesn't mean they all played well, and vice versa, just because we lose doesn't mean they were all trash, and deserving to be "removed from the club" forthwith.

Windass was poor, in taking chances -- he hit the 'keeper twice from what I recall, when putting it to the corner is a guaranteed goal; he needs to work on instinct and shooting -- and perhaps his 'fight', -- which only appears on these threads when we lose -- but he got into these chance-scoring positions. I was disappointed with Pena, but he should've actually scored too; he was also quite poor against St Johnstone, but scored twice.

I don't see how the Manager is responsible for a player's, or players', inability to hit the back of the net from 6 yards? The Manager's only responsible for getting them up to that point. BUT, PC will have to take responsibility for this, as is his job, and he will lose it if these results continue.

The Referee was atrocious -- two bad head knocks that drew blood, and he played on?! -- and although it played it's part -- it's always going to be easier with a man advantage... sometimes -- it was not the reason we lost. We lost because we couldn't take our chances. They did.

I thought we were the better side; created by far the best chances but couldn't take them - Windass, Morelos, Pena, Candeias all had glorious opportunities.

Alnwick couldn't take the first goal, which was probably a mistake; the rest was blind chance, bouncing around the goal-line. The second goal was quality finishing, but I don't like us losing the aerial battle leading up to it. I prefer 'keeper's to be on the look out for sweeping opportunities, so I don't have a problem with his positioning.

The Referee was a joke: even Moult was bleeding from a head knock and he plays on?! And not booking Alves was bizarre: he was looking straight at it! There should have been several red cards.

I like the Manager's passion; he was rightly incensed at the challenges. I don't think either manager deserved to be sent to the stands. Ultimately he has to take the blame, but it's not his fault. Tactically, I thought, we were spot on.; they barely had a sniff, and we created several chances.

I thought Nemane was the right move, tactically: trying to bring on a natural winger to stretch their back three, but it didn't work; perhaps too young for the occasion too. We had kind of chucked it towards the end, and then bringing on Herrera -- a last ditch move -- meant we could not control the midfield, being outnumbered as we were in midfield. It would have to be 'get it wide to the full-backs and whip it into the box' type of game, but that would've played into Motherwell's hands.

We didn't deserve to lose, but that's football. Unfortunately, we can't keep losing games like this; Pedro will be the one ultimately responsible. It's most certainly NOT a sackable result.

Pepe is one of those players you love to hate when playing against you, but you'd love him in your team!