JohnMc

Yip, fair point, it's not low cost forever. But until the summer it might not cost us much.

Whilst I also think Llambias and Leach are playing games and doing their masters bidding I'm less concerned about it now. If it was me and I found £10 mil in the bank come Friday evening I'd use it to rebuild the club. It's a very low cost loan as long as we meet the repayment terms, and I doubt anyone else is going to lend us money as things stand even with new directors in place. If that means keeping Llambias and Leach on the board so be it, they'll be out voted if they oppose anything. The future success of the next group of directors will be predicated on their ability to generate income for the club, how difficult that'll be we'll find out in the coming months. If having Llambias and Leach on board proves problematic then pay Ashley what he's owed and get rid of them. But I'd call their bluff on this one just now.

You probably need a new broadband provider...

If Miller and Simonson leave in the summer they'll in all likelihood be the last players born in the 70s to play for us. I guess that means I'll finally have to accept I'll never play for Rangers... I'd be sorry to see Jim Stewart leave, he's highly regarded as a specialist goalkeeper coach. When you see that list you realise the scale of the job the next manager has. We're literally looking at signing a whole new team, that's considerably harder than most realise.

Wow, they still have Teletext in Germany! No wonder the Greeks are revolting.

18% of children in Australia attend a 'catholic' school, either private or public funded, RCs make up 25% of the Australian population. So that's fairly similar to Scotland. In England 12% of children attend an RC school so a bit lower than here. Neither country have any significant issues similar to Scotland. I've tried to make it clear in this thread that I don't actually support RC schools or any specific religious school if state funded. Scotland already has two Jewish primary schools and three Episcopalian schools in the state sector and will almost certainly have a Muslim primary in the near future. I'm not in favour of them and don't support their growth. However, I don't believe they are the biggest factor in the existence of 'sectarianism' in Scotland. Churches should provide religion and schools should provide education, parents can decide how much of either their children should partake in. I only posted in this thread because one of the first replies said they "gave up at it's not the schools" followed shortly after by other posters describing RC schools as "apartheid". Apart from feeling quite strongly that it's an inappropriate term to use I also feel too many Rangers supporters use this excuse to explain why some in our support and in society at large still cling to sectarian songs, chants and attitudes. The report in the opening post was compiled by academics over a period of time using resources probably not available to most Gersnet posters. The report makes some interesting points. Firstly that 'sectarianism' isn't that big a problem despite most people thinking it is and that you are far more likely to experience prejudice if you are black, Asian or gay. Blacks, Asians and gays don't have separate schools so I'm assuming we're not explaining those prejudices on schooling. I'll try and reply to everyone who replied to me, but it'll be later tonight or tomorrow before I'll have time.

Well now this is an unexpectedly pleasant start to a sunny Glasgow morning. The news of the recent share sale to the RST coupled with this suggests we're now in the end game. Excellent.

My point is why don't these countries have the same problem as Scotland does? You said this on the first page of this thread You were the 3rd poster to highlight schools, nearly half of all replies at that point. My point is that the existence of RC schools in Scotland isn't the reason we have sectarianism. RC schools exist in comparable societies where no sectarianism exists. RC schools don't cause sectarianism, there is no evidence to back that up. The paragraph quoted above says focus groups think it's the case, that doesn't mean it is the case. Focus groups are simply sounding boards for commonly held beliefs, they don't provide empirical evidence. The people who chose to sing 'No pope of Rome' on Friday night don't get to blame RC schools for that. That's a dereliction of personal responsibility. Fans of Thistle, who went to the same schools as us, managed to get through their match at the weekend without a blast of that song. As did every other club from the west of Scotland, except us.

This thread was depressing until two posts ago. The Gow article is excellent.

Hah, good line. I'm not advocating them, I just don't think they are to blame for sectarianism. Whether it's the state's job to provide them is a different argument and one I don't think we'd be miles apart on.

A childhood suspicion of people who go to a different school is fairly normal. Retaining that suspicion into adult life isn't. The argument that because a small number of people aren't able to evolve their thoughts from that of a 14 year old isn't a good enough reason to abolish an entire schooling system. That's the kind of thinking that has woman wearing burqas because some men might not be able to prevent themselves from carrying out rape. I'm convinced there would be far less violent crime if we banned all alcohol. Assaults and murder rates would plummet, A&E departments would see admissions drop and some families would benefit from having sober parents in them. But I amn't advocating prohibition because a number of people are incapable of knowing when they've had enough. I know you aren't saying any of the above, but the argument is the same.

Here's my problem with this. RC schools are fairly commonplace in many countries fairly equivalent with Scotland. England, Australia, Canada, the US, New Zealand for example all have RC schools yet don't seem to have that cultural tension we do. These places aren't utopian societies though, they have issues regarding race for example, often quite serious ones. Similarly gay people will experience prejudice in society despite full integration. Woman will generally experience significantly more prejudice and discrimination during their life despite schools being co-ed and all of us having mothers. I've an acquaintance to attended Shawlands Academy at a time of significant racial tension, culminating in a riot along race lines after school that made the national news. I've yet to read any actual evidence that proves separate schooling has a significant influence on this subject. Poor education does though. Poverty and unemployment are often factors, economic issues are usually at the heart of much social tension. I just think the school thing is an easy blame, it suggests the perpetrators are somehow victims of circumstance.

Unfortunately dB it does. Collymore's a clown, but it's that section of our own support who continue to provide clowns with ammunition and who react with such hostility whenever someone criticises us that we should be focusing on. Whatever we might think of the laws surrounding the 'Billy Boys' and 'Why Don't You Go Home' it doesn't change the fact that singing them get's the club into bother and allows our organised enemies to make hay. We should save our ire for the dickheads who insist on singing the songs. We've enough to be concerning ourselves with just now.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way the Guardian is the second most read news site in the UK, only the BBC site attracts more visits. Combined circulation between the website and the printed edition is now over 8.5 million visits every month. It's widely recognised as the most influential independent news site in Europe now.

But people have to take personal responsibility for themselves or their children. Blaming the 'school system' doesn't absolve the individual for being a bigot surely? The fact that I should mistrust someone who is basically identical to me in every way except for their interpretation of aspects of Pauline based theology is truly a bizarre construct. You (probably) went to a different school to me, if I mistrust or actively dislike you because of that then I'm a dick, it's not an excuse.

His chapter is worth a read as are many other chapters in the book it's a shame Speirs piece overshadowed everything else. Anyway, I'm not promoting denominational education, I'm simply saying I don't think it's to blame for sectarianism in our society. Most Jewish people in Scotland go to non-denominational schools yet anti-semitism is still in existence. Racism still exists yet black kids go to the same schools as the rest of us as do as do Asian kids yet they'll all experience various forms of racism here from time-to-time. I'm going to assume you aren't a bigot Bluedell. I've been reading your posts on various forums and blogs for a long time and you've never given me that impression, indeed I'd say the opposite. Why aren't you a bigot, after all you had no RC friends as a child and were aware of their 'differentness'? I'm going to assume it's because you were brought up to treat people equally, to judge someone on their actions and words and not on their colour or religious beliefs or that in your adult life you've learned that people come in all kinds no matter their colour or religious beliefs. Certainly that's been my experience. Genuine sectarianism, a real dislike of a person or people you've not met simply because they were educated to follow a slightly different version of the same basic belief system as you can only be borne out of ignorance. The fact they went to a different school doesn't excuse the basic ignorance or fear that underlines all sectarianism. For the record though I'm far from convinced 'sectarianism' is a big problem here, it makes headlines but I don't believe it has a meaningful effect on most people's lives, no matter their background.

This story is about public perceptions, not statistical analysis. Football has a far higher profile in Scotland than almost any other subject, that certain clubs are top-of-mind is no real surprise. Not a popular opinion I accept but I take issue with the blaming 'schools' narrative, it's certainly not my experience. I'm not in favour of state-funded religious schooling but not because I think it creates sectarianism. I've yet to meet a teacher who promotes or creates sectarian tensions. These things come from the home, intolerance and ignorance are usually domestic issues. The Rangers supporting journalist Ronnie Esplin wrote an interesting chapter on this for one of the 'Rangers For Me' books about his personal experiences with Catholic schools, it's worth digging out.

Winning or losing isn't the issue at that level it's about development. Concern over the 'score' has been a blight on Scottish youth football for years, the number of times I've heard of a local youth team return from a tournament somewhere abroad with a trophy only for all their players to sink without trace. We're currently on the same points as Dundee Utd, I wonder if posters on their messageboards are calling for heads because they are mid-table... If Durrant or any other coach is able to use that league to actually develop future players then I'd happily lose every week at that level, it really doesn't matter.

Making comparisons between the Scottish and English leagues is pointless. The only way any sort of equilibrium can be restored is if Sky go bust, most analysts agree they've paid too much for the rights so it's not impossible but is unlikely. In the meantime hundreds of small Scottish boys are starting to support English club sides instead of Scottish ones. We'll become Ireland within a generation as things stand. The only way to make Scottish football more attractive is to make it more competitive. That involves spreading the little money there is around more evenly. Those currently with the money don't want to do that. Then some imagination is required and there's precious little of that around in Scottish football. I've come to believe that we're the last generation of Scottish club fans.

If you actually read the article he only mentions Rangers once and I find it hard to disagree with his point that as long as the biggest and best supported club in the land look like a circus the sport will struggle to find a sponsor. That's his point and it's a fair one. We're struggling to pay salaries every month, our board make decisions that baffle everyone and are counter to our long term well-being. No one could state with any certainty that we won't have another financial implosion and find ourselves playing in the South of Scotland league. We're self-harming on an industrial scale. I understand why people don't like other club's executives criticising us, but if you actually read what he said can anyone really take issue with it?

McGregor is a smart cookie and what he's achieved at Ross County is remarkable. We kind of take it for granted that they're a top flight side now but it's still astonishing, Dingwall has a population of less than 5,500 people, even when you take in the surrounding countryside you're not looking at more than 15,000, that's about the same size as Cumnock! Wasn't it McGregor who refused to back the first 're-structuring' proposed by Celtic and Dundee Utd a couple of years back? Also Ross County weren't in the SPL the season we were demoted.

I think you are right to worry. I was in a restaurant on Saturday night named after Fausto Coppi, it had a cracking big picture of him on one of the walls. If your island bagging extends to that large one to Scotland's south west I'd recommend a visit.

I used to work with a member of a fairly well known Glasgow based supporter's club, who from what I could see seemed to be a front for organised shop-lifting. Every second monday we were offered all sorts of unlikely apparel and fancy goods as the department stores of provincial Scotland were visited. Trips to Europe were a big deal as serious money could be made. Rangers drew Dynamo Kiev, then in the Soviet Union and pre Glasnost. Somehow about 12 of them got visas and went to the future Ukrainian capital on a shoplifting spree with a football match thrown in. I had visions of them pushing babushkas to one side in the queue for cabbage in the local GUM store but no, in a state with no official crime they were in their element. They encountered some issues at Glasgow Airport though as each of them was wearing a genuine ladies Russian sable fur coat with matching hat, all claiming it was their own and they'd worn them on the way out. The sight of a tall, overweight, middle-aged Glaswegian man wearing a size 10, £4,000 ladies fur coat over his Rangers top was no doubt one of the more peculiar sites that day at the airport. A few years later Rangers drew Stuea Bucharest and they moved heaven and earth to arrange another potentially lucrative trip beyond the Iron Curtain. However this time on their arrival they were prevented from leaving their hotel by armed police and each person on the trip found they were followed by two Romanian secret policemen at all times. My favourite story though concerns a Celtic supporter's club a different work colleague was on. Celtic were drawn against a side from the then Yugoslavia, still a communist country although more open to visitors than the Warsaw Pact ones. The match was to take place in what is now Bosnia for some reason so this club decided to stay in Italy and simply cross the border on the day of the match. This was long before the Euro so they all had Italian lira, a much derided currency at the time. This was then changed into whatever the Yugoslav currency was, but they were warned that they would not be allowed to take any Yugoslav currency out of the country when they left and that even if they did it was practically worthless in Western Europe. As such after the match the entire bus decided to pool all the Yugoslav money they all had left and spend it on fags and booze. Well it tuned out these were both quite cheap in Yugoslavia and this bus was literally buying every single packet and bottle in every small town on the road to the Italian border. Word was getting out and as they would enter the next town the locals would have already packed up thousands of cigarettes and cases and cases of vodka and beer and lined them up on the pavement. Having literally emptied every town of cigarettes and alcohol they arrived in the last village at the border. There was nothing left to buy yet they still had money. As my pal said it probably wasn't very much but it looked like loads, hundreds and hundreds of notes were left and as they discussed what to do with it someone shouted 'there's a lassie with a pram, go give it to her and the wean'. So two drunk and pretty stupid Tims jumped off the bus carrying a very large wad of notes, approached the unsuspecting lady, pointed at her pram and offered her the money. The woman screamed, loudly. The guys were bewildered, speaking not a word of Serbo-Croat they once again attempted to give the woman this money 'for yer wean, hen, it's for yer wean' and the woman once again screamed, pulling the small child close to her. Her screams alerted other locals and a loud conversation between the now hysterical woman and some of her fellow villagers resulted in a several local men appearing. They weren't happy. Although not able to speak the local language the bus load of Tims were able to recognise that universal sign of an angry man pointing a shotgun at you as evidence that there might have been a misunderstanding. The two pissed idiots who'd led the woman to believe they wanted to buy her baby backed slowly towards the bus. As a footnote they discovered that at least one of the villages had sold them bottles of vodka filled with water and the Yugoslavian cigarettes aren't that good.

I've long ago given up trying to understand the Media House strategy for the Easedales. They become more unpopular and appear more incompetent with every passing day, that surely can't be the aim. I can only assume someone is paying or has paid the Easedales to front this, nothing else makes sense. No matter how thick skinned or intractable they might be there is no way their Rangers gig is worth the hassle for them now. Yet they continue, determined to cling on for no obvious benefit. So I can only assume the benefit isn't obvious. Ashley's PR is fine though, with every passing day his reputation as shrewd, cold and ruthless is enhanced, the city institutions can relax safe in the knowledge he carries no sentiment and can't be swayed by public opinion, only money matters. Apart from that I don't believe you've not read that book, I've seen those pictures of you on Facebook in tight lycra, no way a man of your age actually gets on a bike!

This is my new favourite thread. I've always known I'm a moron, it's gratifying to finally confirm it publicly.