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If he´s been advised to play poker without good cards then I´d worry regards how this will play out. You´d hope he signed off on the first Saturday statement confident that the whistleblower evidence was exactly how it was described. Only time will tell....

My mistake The SPFL have obviously been at it, it´s about being able to prove it.

Precedent over the last decade doesn´t make me particularly optimistic that the evidence will be high grade enough to achieve what we are apparently hoping for. However, the one difference is that Douglas Park very much put his name to it. Hopefully, that means something.

We´ll never have any investigation, independent or Polis with what is out there. The only way that changes is if Rangers come to the table with high grade whistleblower evidence.

Post C19 in amongst the economic carnage, Scottish football will generally be closer to garbage than it was a couple of months ago. Perhaps kinder to term it getting closer to N.I. / Welsh League level with two teams that are looking for somewhere else to ply their trade.

For most of the above, not really. Other than abstention obviously having the same affect as a No vote. It was always 28 days but with a request for it to be submitted by Friday. Once received, you can´t revoke a yes vote in this type of voting proceedure (see point 2 below on SPFL sheet and the same rule is part of the Companies Act of 2006).

Obviously from our financal POV, wage cuts would have been much better. It means that further down the line we´ll have heavier outgoings at what at best, will be a very challenging time. Thinking about projected revenue, how is the European question for 20/21 to be resolved regards qualifiers/groups ? One legged qualifiers played in the artic circle (with an orange ball) ?

It became a PLC in the modern world #growth&greed.

One thing that gets my goat is incorrect use of the 85% figure when writing an article in favour of the SPFL. "Despite winning the backing of 85 per cent of Scotland’s 42 senior clubs,..." Keith Jackson, Daily Record https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-hold-crisis-talks-face-21855816 As far as I´m aware the yes votes were 10+7+16 = 33 (78.57%) What it does show is that subtle misinformation does work. On Friday, the SPFL said "As at 5pm, the SPFL had received 39 responses, 85% of which have been in favour, as follows..." https://spfl.co.uk/news/statement-from-the-spfl-board ie. 33 of 39 is 84.6% but it´s then transforms into the incorrect 33 of 42 = 85% in the media.

Aye, you only start a war you think you´ll win. I hope we have more WMD´s than Iraq and Iran.

Trades descriptions need to be brought in to force a name change to the Rangers Football Monitor. They go on about it being to hold governing bodies to account rather than focus on Rangers. These past few days have neatly shown that to be blatant bullshit. They are also purveyors of the whataboutery clause when required but don´t allow anyone on their messageboard to point out when they push whataboutery with both barrels.

As I said previously, if we can achieve positive and meaningful change in the SPFL power structure then this campaign would have been worth it. A difficult ask but then I don´t know what the whistleblower evidence consists of.

I struggle to see how we´re realistically going to be successful in preventing Celtic eventually being declared as having finished first in an incomplete league season unless the Null & Void option was taken in various other leagues. Apart from the fact that we are the only club bothered and we have few friends out there, in an incomplete season, how would European qualification be determined if positions aren´t called? For me, given circumstances you probably have to call the positions but don´t necessarily have to award a title and certainly regarding the 9IAR issue, it can´t morally be included, ie. back to 8 for the start of next season. Then you reconstruct the league so as to limit severe damage to certain clubs (eg. Hearts).

Was their dark shennanigans going on behind closed doors?........ Of course However, unless we can and do prove it, they´ll be able to wriggle out of it allbeit with a degree of reputational damage, but given their reputation wasn´t good before this event, it won´t make much difference. And unless we can and do, we´ll end up getting slaughtered by a willing media.

I think the priority would be (within extraordinary circumstances), to mitigate preventable damage to certain clubs (eg. Hearts, P.Thistle, etc) whilst taking into consideration an option to review the structure the following summer. The SPFL wanted to more or less push through everything in one go and didn´t appear to care much for several member clubs at an unprecedented time.

14 team league 2 rounds of games (26) split 2 rounds of games (12) 26 + 12 = 38 Dundee can revoke their original intention, if negative. IMO the issue is more why and the mechanics of how that took place. ie. dark shennanigans from SPFL and/or other actors...and that is what I´d hope the whistleblower evidence clearly uncovers.

It now looks very probable that the League season will remain incompleted and I still believe that no matter what we do, Celtic will ultimately declared as winners. The campaign to undermine that potential and probable outcome should have publicly started way before Alastair Johnson talked about 8 and a half and not IMO initially by a board member of the club. If the present and ongoing battle can bring real change to the SPFL power structure then good, it will have been worth it. Otherwise, I´m struggling to see what we´ll get out of it. That said, the whistleblower evidence, if revealed, might or might not change the whole scenario.

A month of lockdown has pushed me back to the messageboards ? but what the F is going on in the world of Scottish fitbaw ? I´d followed the headlines without looking at the detail until Saturday when the howitzer was fired ! What is our endgame wrt what we want out of this ? and what are the chances of achieving it or at least enough of it so as to make it all worth it ? I note the SPFL now pushing a mediatic defence of their position ahead of their next move, which won´t be to open an independent investigation. Teflon Doncaster, ShiftyMcGinty and the overweight lawyer will probably look to take the initiative and fudge a solution that clubs will be happier with and carry on regardless. If more or less so (including no investigation), ...what do we do (including the whistleblower evidence) ?

A lot depends on the actual situation that confronts the board, some of which only they and a few others will be privvy to. Especially now, as the short term probably becomes the bigger priority. Ordinarily, you´d be putting forward a more holistic strategy and try to stick with it.

Newcastle Brown, Rioja or Low Flyer ?

I´d just add that a counter argument could be made about what playing clever might look like. The impression I get is for the confrontational aspect of the PR remit, the club or whoever was in charge have on the whole very much studied what the social media vibe is and reacted accordingly. Basically putting out what they think the support want to hear but without any type of joined up strategy that might bring medium to long term benefit. For example, post SC Final 2016 where you get the general reaction from our messageboards as ¨great statement¨, ¨howitzer¨, ¨boom¨......but there is no follow-up, no strategy attached and it ends up giving detractors ammo to use against us. That to me, isn´t clever but it might be judged to be practical in the short term if you think that attendance levels-revenue may drop at a time when the same board were putting their hand in their own pockets to cover shortfalls. edit ps. new keyboard and I haven´t got used to where apostrohe or quite a few things are yet!

Not really, it´s more about playing clever. Generally, that´s not something we´ve been doing.

On the face of it, yes... but I don´t think this logic applies here. It´s more about perceptions within the environment we are looking to effect. Both directly who we need to deal with and how they use it...and indirectly to the interested onlookers. Generally speaking, PR/Spin is very often only loosely and selectively associated with facts / logic. As I´ve already posted on this thread, I think the current situation that nearly all are going to suffer badly from could become a gamechanger in just about everything and PR would be the least of our worries. For boardrooms, it´s now about looking at things from a different perspective and trying to act to mitigate damage / push for or take new opportunities. Wrt to this topic...eg. the dispute with the BBC: Go and have a sit down looking to and for some compromise...New era, set examples. It´s a time to be less confrontational and just get it done.

It´s almost inevitable and now more about devaluing what would be a gifted title so as it doesn´t become accepted as 9IAR. Important to lay the groundwork quickly. 2019/20... The Title that Never Was !