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In theory, but much of what is being said surrounding this issue is divorced from the actual cold, hard reality in front of us. Generally, as a support, it seems as though we continue not being able to see the wood for the trees.

The records are tumbling ? I wonder if Celtic are the first ever team to do a..... 'Pt.1/1Pt.'..... after 5 group matches ? That is, the Pot 1 seeds collecting only 1 point after 5 matches. Here is me thinking it was many in our support that were generally behind getting out of Europe this December ! On the other hand...... December 14, 2020 draw for 2nd (round of 32) Europa League Europa League group stage winners and runners-up[edit] Group Winners (seeded in round of 32 draw) Runners-up (unseeded in round of 32 draw) Qualified (position TBD) A Roma B Arsenal C Slavia Prague Bayer Leverkusen D Rangers Benfica E Granada PSV Eindhoven F G Leicester City Braga H Lille Milan I Villarreal J Tottenham Hotspur Antwerp K Dinamo Zagreb L 1899 Hoffenheim Red Star Belgrade CL 3rd place transfers Seed Grp Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Seeding 1 H Third place Group H (X) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Seeded in round of 32 draw 2 B Third place Group B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 D Third place Group D 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 F Third place Group F 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 E Krasnodar 5 1 1 3 5 10 −5 4 Unseeded in round of 32 draw 6 A Third place Group A (Y) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 C Third place Group C (Y) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 G Third place Group G (Y) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (X) Certain to be seeded; (Y) Certain to be unseeded.

You mean when we start to win the Champions League ? I guess you could cross Walter Smith with Michael Beale...

It's another layer of offialdom that is costly, wastes time and like what went before, doesn't get all the decisions right. #Bin ....or for Scottish football, pass on it until a time when (if ever) it works and only if affordable.

It's the old modern, progressive, professional approach that has proved so elusive for Scottish clubs. I think as well as those in charge of the football knowing what they are doing, they command the necessary levels of respect from a squad/board/media,... to have been able to reach this point. Contrast PLG and Gerrard, Delia and Rodgers. Old (Scottish) school managers in older times did well but the more recent old schoolers (eg.McCoist and Lennon) don't. Bringing Steven Gerrard up the road and backing him was the way to go. If it was down to Dave King, then hats off to him. From day one, it crossed my mind that Gerrard might privately think of doing a Bill Shankly, in reverse. Englishman goes to Glasgow and puts a huge club where it wants to be.

Going through the thread, I think this post points toward the main current and ongoing issue for the board. In a covid world, I don't think many realise how fragile the financial situation is. IMO, it's not really about debating whether the price of 20p a share is good, bad or simply fair. Nine months down the line, things could be looking very good, but if they aren't, they could be looking very black. Are C1872 about speculation or is it about a vested interest ? A relationship that was not to allow a repeat of what has gone before. I see that along at least two different lines; 1) Prevention of bad agendas/characters and 2) Financial,............ that both, whether seperately or together, lead into the matter of Survival, as we know it. Right now for the board, it's about the finance and keeping the plates spinning. Do C1872 really think sending a prospective 13M to South Africa is the way to go ? Could they delay signing up for 9 months to see how the cards fall and where the club find themselves?

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Is this the first time we have reached 11 points in a European group stage ? I remember under PLG, we got 10 pts from a 4 game group. 12 or 14pts would be in keeping with nearly everything else that has gone on this season. It's not normal but I like it !!!

I know there won't be as many changes as I propose but we need to balance the last chance for weeks to give a few of the players a game off against whats on offer for the win, which we could still go for with any XI from the squad. Tav and Goldson won't have any International breaks to rest up on until March.

Team for Poland...... McLaughlin Paterson Middleton Bassey Balogun Dicksen Zungu Aribo Barker Itten Hagi

Excellent result ! It's around 1.5M euros secured for tonights work. Around 0.5M for each.... - a win - at least a second place finish (could double if we finish 1st) - last 32 participation

Got away with a very poor 45 minutes. ps.... Bassy, Barisic, Tav, Goldson, Tav Last five goals all scored by defenders !!

Bet365 were offering odds as to who you were going to finish second behind this season ? For old times sake... 1-0; Tav

I think that is the issue here. The ruling as such, is within how the SPFL say they deal with such circumstances. However, the extraordinary circumstance of a global pandemic surely has to be considered in this instance, given the reason why Celtic requested the fixture change. Blair (SPFL) gave Peter his desired Old Firm Fixture date and how that rebounded on poor Peter. It could happen again “The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley.”

Never been better, thanks ! ....Definitely still breathing (a la Wim Hoff) but more sea swimming rather than ye auld yomping. Put it this way, I'm mid fifties and could breeze The Paras basic training although still a way to go before I'll be able to get past the SBS tests at Poole ?

The only real option is to keep the plates spinning and hope that we reach the other side by next May (Title) and August (Euro GpStage qualification/preferably CL). Up until this point, the current board (majority Rangers fans) have been doing a very decent job improving the infrastucture and adding value. Not to mention, the finance they have put in to keep those plates spinning. However, they are not bottomless pits and the club may need further injections of cash in the coming months/years beyond the projections. As Forlan has said, those who stump up the money are really who should decide where it goes.

Like the Mr. Beaton (Castore), he seems to have signed up for the full tour of Rangers podcasts. Like Mr.Beaton, he has something to propose/sell. Don't get me wrong. I more than recognise what Dave King has done for the club and put my grain of sand toward the good fight back in the day but IMO, you have to judge things on their particular merits and as they come along. The current fragility is financial rather than the make-up of the board (btw. already mostly Rangers fans).... and that is what IMO, needs addressed within what is a relationship of vested interests.

The vested interests of C1872 and Rangers make this somewhat different regarding approach. Survival is priority Control of what could (if things don't go well) become a financial basket case is of little use or value for that matter. Financially supporting the club (the board are already doing a good job and are emotionally invested themselves) so as we can get to a stronger financial base to work from makes more sense to me. At that point, the control % aspect could be focused upon.

Are Holicom still doing the PLC's PR or is it someone else? I just saw something that reeks of deflection...... https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/03/rangers-football-forgotten-tragedy-ibrox-stadium-disaster-glasgow

That might have been so in 2015 but now ? - Have a look at the accounts - Have a look at who is currently sitting on the Rangers board

Aye, too many never learn lessons.

Despite the good vibes surrounding the club at present, the only real foundation to it is that we have increased asset value in terms of potential player trading.....and that is something that can diminish relatively quickly dependent on circumstances. If the football team can maintain it's general consistency of result through to next September, both domestically and in Europe, the foundations would look a lot stronger (ideally CL group stage rather than ELGS or in worst case scenario, no GpStage). In other words, we are not out of the woods as yet and you would have thought C1872 investment strategy would take that into consideration.

Is the tin foil interfering with your signal and not allowing you to read/interpret what I posted ? To be clearer, when I say New Money, I'm saying that any monies raised should IMO, be going to the club, rather than buying shares from current shareholders. The rational being that this should surely be about what is best for the football club, first and foremost.

I note the overnight carfuffle over on FF on specific things/allegations to do with this matter and the customary division based mainly on faith or lack of, in individuals involved. Disregarding the difficulty of raising large sums of money in what will be a time of general economic carnage,...shouldn't it simply be about what is best for the football club? IM(inexpert)O, the recent accounts spell out the need for new money.

I think it is very clear that most clubs see the SPFL handling of the last few weeks as "a (bad) joke". It's about damage limitation/ survival for clubs now and most will act with those priorities in mind. That's why two of the three pargraphs of our statement on Sunday said....... THERE are key issues to be discussed and agreed within Scottish football including the circumstances and dates on which football can resume, the health and safety of all involved and the financial implications for members. It is vital that those involved in making those decisions have the confidence and support of member clubs. An independent investigation provides a route to achieving this. https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/independent-investigation