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Can't find the article. Could you or someone from Gersnet help to pin down a link. Can you remember the name of the co-author ?
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Doesn't reconcile with what you said earlier Bluedell then asked you..........."Then I would call on all members of the RFB who agreed to this to resign their positions as they are clearly attempting to restrict fan access to directors and clearly allowing their own petty agendas to dictate their views rather than attempting to represent all fans." In other words BH, you don't have a leg to stand on. Not on a professed lack of knowledge from which you agreed to base a proposal on ....... or........... an elitest proposal that seeks to marginalise those who actively seek Transparency.
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If that's you finished your chores, there were a couple more that you missed. Are you the man to force the issue of Transparency at Ibrox ? Do you consider moves to marginalise groups looking for Transparency would be a good first step ? ------------------------------------------------------------ I do realise you may have a few posts to catch up with from Bludell and others but I'm a patient Bear.
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Thank's for the reply, wasn't difficult, was it ! That would be an AGM back in the Sir Duped of Murray days. I'll have a look for the article.
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Alloa chairman confirms game will go ahead next week
buster. replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
AMcC has to say he "has no problem" irrespective of whether he has or not. You also have to consider that the power within the boardroom has shifted aswell as cashflow problems. Ashely has provided a credit facility and he won't want it drawndown on until really necessary. Llambias will be under instruction to reduce costs further and maximise revenue/cashflow. -
My agenda is to try and establish the truth. Some clarity and answers from your goodself might help. Your quote frpm the 16th of December 2013........."...I have suggested that a membership scheme would be one way of bringing fans together or at least expressing a collective, authoritative opinion. ........." http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?60832-Rangers-Supporters-Trust-suspend-spokesman-over-improper-conduct/page17....#164 In connection to your quote from some 11 months ago, I had earlier in the thread (#360) asked you..........Who did you suggest this idea to (and when) ? So with that in mind I posed the question that you quoted "Was BH part of any discussions on a proposed RFB, with anyone in and around the executive board of RIFC/TRFC pre AGM 2013 and/or in the following weeks ?"................to which you answered "NO I WAS NOT". If you had answered the question on this thread in #360 then it would have helped my understanding. I do see you are busy and may have missed it, so please take the opportunity to answer the question above in bold type.
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Alloa chairman confirms game will go ahead next week
buster. replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
Decision makes sense for a business with cashflow problems. As you infer, at the sametime it does send out a message. -
Unfortunately can't get along myself. Perhaps the Minutes thread could be carried forward to Malaga Tapas and developed into a modern day Spanish Inquisition.
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Everyone can have their opinions, the issue would seem to be about certain members on the RFB looking to facilitate the marginalisation of the opinion of other fans(groups) that they nor the club share. All fans are equal, however some fans may be more equal than others.
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Good time to bump this as this thread is such a long and winding road.
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Comes down to what and whose interests are being represented regards this specific matter and.............. was BH part of any discussions on a proposed RFB, with anyone in and around the executive board of RIFC/TRFC pre AGM 2013 and/or in the following weeks.
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BH view on 16th December 2013 http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?60832-Rangers-Supporters-Trust-suspend-spokesman-over-improper-conduct/page17 #164 "I have suggested that a membership scheme would be one way of bringing fans together or at least expressing a collective, authoritative opinion. But that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon. If you were the current board (and I stress I am not picking sides here) where would you go to get the fans opinion: the Assembly, the RSA, the Trust, FF, Gersnet, Rangers Media etc, shareholders, some combination of the foregoing? None individually or collectively represent anything more than a minority of fans who go along on a Saturday. The nearest you might get is the season ticket holders (and who would represent them?) but even then you would be excluding a lot of people." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Who did you suggest this idea to (and when) ? Collective or partly collective ?
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I think this particular thread has been excellent regards reasoned debate on the matters at hand. The strength of feeling generated on this issue in what is a reasoned and often relatively mild online community should be carefully considered. All RFB members might be advised to wade through it for an appreciation of what is being said and the arguments being made. At the root of it, the issue is that the RFB should act in the fans interests first and foremost. To act in the club's interests regards the voice/lines of communication of fansgroups would be perverse.
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BH, you seem to have missed these questions (below). If you simply don't want to answer them, then that's fine. Are you the man to force the issue of Transparency at Ibrox ? Do you consider moves to marginalise groups looking for such would be a good first step ? If you don't know the mechanics of the groups how could you be part of a move to force them anywhere ?
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I don't think it would be "fair enough", I would see it as unacceptable. That the RFB seem to be driving this, I see as perverse.
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MB, allow me to jump in. I think you have to consider the interests of the Fans v Club. In the micro, such as the 'lot' of the away fan it might be in the mutual interest of both club and fan that X is improved or changed. However in the macro, such as proposals to marginalise fansgroups, there is a clear divide between the interests of the club and the fan. This is where it would seem as individual RFB members might have to align themselves to the fans interests or club interests. IMO it is perverse that a fan on the RFB would align themselves alongside club interests in the example used above. It would be a disturbing precedent, more especially if such fans were to become office bearers.
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Are you the man to force the issue of Transparency at Ibrox ? Do you consider moves to marginalise groups looking for such would be a good first step ? If you don't know the mechanics of the groups how could you be part of a move to force them anywhere ?
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To do so, would illustrate only too well what this in good part, is all about. Clubs Interests trump Fans Interests It stands to reason the club as it currently is, would be keen from the outset to make the RFB work for them in certain strategic areas.
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I come back to the clubs interests being better served by the RFB, rather than the fans interests. The idea/suggestion/proposal that the RFB,........... look to facilitate a process that will marginalise groups who are active in holding the board to account and protesting for the interests of the support as they see it, is perverse. You say above that "I'm prepared to consider the possibilities" regards holding the RIFC board to account in a meaningful and significant way. Yet you actively seek to install layers of comfort for them and for some reason and despite all of your experience, couldn't see that Charles Green was a bullshitter. I'd say you should be looking to encourage groups who actively demand more for transparency because your current course will see the RFB become a stillborn casualty.
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My grammer is p**h but it's an honest mistake that comes from a poor education. I thank you for the now nightly lesson. However, it is ironic that I get my lessons when you seem to 'run out of things to say' ! My old Grandmother used to tell me that one favour deserved another and perhaps in return, I could offer you some lessons in how to sniff out those characters taking advantage of Rangers. It's just that it hasn't been your strong point and I'd have thought it might be useful if you were prepared to harbour such thoughts or consider such possibilities.
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I think it appears to be a mistake by he who wrote up the minutes, followed by an oversight from youself when you later offered ammendments. As I said, it can happen to the best of us.
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Another honest mistake or oversight. I remember Brian Stockbridge having problems with the wording on resolution 10.
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An interesting plan and doubtless considered analysis,... but I'd maintain that our main problems have been and still are within the walls of Ibrox.
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He will have his minions deal with these issues. His spindoctor (Keith Bishop) will have been introduced to Toxic Jack (remit from Easdale block) and I'd have thought that Toxic will have been told to continue what he's doing regards spin/support due to his long experience misleading Bears and contacts/knowledge of the Scottiish media. Toxic being part of the development of the RFB, more specifically how to make it work for the club's interests regards control and manipulation (ie.macro concept/see #215).
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The 'messenger' shouldn't have a problem if he were to act in the interests of the fans in an unbiased and open way. However, we already see signs that clubs interests on vital matters seem to be served via suggestions / proposals.