buster.
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Perhaps they should exchange roles and see if it improves our lot, Somers for the dugout and McCoist for the boardroom ? I think McCoist knows that a credit facility isn't an investment, unlike Somers. An illustration of an Omnishambles.
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Very much so. The fact that the RFB has agreed to take forward a proposal that would (in part) marginalise those most vocal in the 'campaign' for transparency at board level, is ironically enough,.............. 'transparent', but not in a positive way. I also think more fans would have entered into the electoral process had there been transparency and a reason for trust established throughout the club. Firstly, there would have been more ST holders and secondly, more confidence going forward. An attempt to marginalise 'dissident' fansgroups based from a majority,..... within a generous estimate of 6% of the membership,....... of a membership scheme,....... that a board that you can't trust, put in place................could only happen at 21stC Ibrox.
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After a quick glance at the thread you posted from August 2013 and looking at these numbers, the over-riding problem is obvious, was indeed declared back in the old thread and agreed upon by BH. That you need to be able to trust the club's board of directors and have a reasonable degree of transparency.
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I'll put up a new thread (have one in mind) after we can all have a wee rest from this one.
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trusblu82 Whether a messageboard is perceived as sane or not is for those observing to decide, I think it more important that those who contribute are honest and without hidden agendas or "end goals". Everyone is free to their opinion regards the RFB and it's short record. What the last few years should have taught us, is to deal with what is in front of us and that an idealist 'benefit of the doubt' is off limits. Trust can only be born of transparency and actions. We currently have an agreement within the RFansB to take to the directors a proposal, that is perverse and obviously in the interests of the club executive, as it seeks to marginalise groups who have been vocal in their (merited) criticism of the RIFC/TRFC board(s) and calls for transparency. Fansgroups shouldn't be restricted access, no matter what side of any divide they be upon. A fans board should represent fans and not seek from the outset to base decisions on politics / club executive interests. ----------------------------------- Thank's Frankie !!
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I'm not having a go at anyone or saying X is Y. It's only that yesterday, bawsburst announced on RM, in part of a reply to BH......... "......it is time for me at least to withdraw from further comment on things that are now decided............". and you replied to him directly..........."or in other words your contract has now been terminated." Whilst you don't have to, it might have been easier to simply tell us what BB had said, rather than forecast the future.
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But given dates, your 'sermon' in #419 is very much at odds with your thoughts elsewhere. It included a reference to Gersnet being a "sane site" and an implied inferral that this status may be under threat. However yesterday, on another thread ('Our support and social media') you talked about what amounted to your 'controlled dual identity approach' for different messageboards (quote below). Your post was very interesting but I think most folk on Gersnet are simply being themselves and that is what helps sanity levels and honest debate,...... rather than "end goals". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Volume of words, posts or pages have little relevance unless a satisfactory answer results and I think most would agree that to use this criteria would only encourage a lack of transparency in what is supposed to be the first step towards us achieving such, further up the chain. There are skilled indefatigable operators who can say a lot but don't really say anything or get to the nub of the matter regards the contentious. No need to 'apoligise' again because it's not just me, but then you know that and there are many on this thread who aren't happy. For example, when an objective, knowledgeable and measured poster such as Bluedell really 'corners' BH on the fansgroups access to directors issue, there is no reply. It's now apparent that this thread won't recieve the clarity many want to see although it's been an excellent discussion on the matter and would make good reading material for all members of the RFB prior to the next meeting.
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Do you refer to the poster 'bawsburst' ?
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You patently don't understand what I wrote because if you did, much of what comes after those first three words doesn't make sense. Strangely, neither do your own words from a post on RM seem to reconcile with your previous on this thread, # 419.
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For club, I was inferring the executive board(s) of the club/company. I have edited the previous post accordingly, so it is clearer. If you haven't read the full thread then I'd recommend you look through it and you might understand where the unresolved issues ly and why they merit not only vigilance but further clarification. The reason the thread has rattled on is that there is general concern on these matters that hasn't been fully allayed. Asking for clarification on such matters could be termed as "vigilance" and until the fog lifts it will continue to be employed. The label of "paranonia" is what some would prefer it to be perceived as. Frankly at this point in our long-running soap opera, the threshold for the 'p' word is extremely High.
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No, you don't get it. There are many posters who are disturbed with how the RFB has started and more especially, the direction it seems to have agreed upon, a path that would restrict fan access to directors. Generally, a concern that the RFB is acting more in the club interest (executive board) than for the fans as a whole. BH has indeed been indefatigable but he has also shown us that no matter how many words he may type, he hasn't provided significant clarity or comfort to those concerned. Enjoy the match !
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I didn't accuse him of that. I asked him questions concerning a suggestion he himself had made regards a fans membership scheme, that predated the AGM of 2013. He answered those questions without any fuss (I'm still trying to find the article involved). To be clear, I did point to the involvement of a spindoctor/his company in the planning behind what would be the macro issues between the club executive and any RFB. I first did so approximately 11 months ago.
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That's more interesting. Could you explain how I'm causing division ?
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Another empty and vacuous reply. If you have nothing constructive to say, it might be in your interests not to publicly dig a deeper hole.
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It is "we" not just me.......To actually go down that road with the evidence of this thread in front of you reveals the poverty of that argument. Below is an example of someone considered knowledgeable and objective having an exchange with BH on the matters at hand. They are two seperate replies by Bluedell to BH, neither of which were answered. ---------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ No clarity = No rest Try to be constructive rather than just shout loudly.
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That's not really a measured and constructive post is it ? It doesn't seem to reflect the number of posters on this thread that are unhappy with the situation. It doesn't want to address issues but rather attack an individual with such terms as 'anal probe' Going after me or defending BH is all very well but it doesn't actually serve any useful or constructive purpose within this thread. Indeed, your post only helps highlight the weakness or lack of real clarity being offered.
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You have to consider 'Ashely' as a 'multi-layered animal', of which the individual is the man at the top who will use other paid and delegated layers to interact with the club and it's supporters.
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Thank's, I'll look for a link if you don't have it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 400 posts and we still don't have a satisfactory answer or explanation from you regards some of the main issues. If that's as far as you are prepared to go then I think it tells it's own story and may be worth a new thread wrt to a 'sitrep', looking forward.
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IMO the Easdales are a 'layer of comfort' between the support and those they front. Whatever the brothers ultimate angle, I don't think it will be the worst that is front of us. The more overt arrival of Ashely on the scene will obviously affect this.
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Social media (SM) has changed how an ever increasing number of our supporters interact with the club, including the battleground that passes for a political & financial landscape. As with commerce, those interested recognise this and allocate more time and resources towards it in an effort to achieve a net gain. This is why there has been a plethora of agitators sent in an attempt to influence, shape and direct opinion on our messageboards. Gersnet doesn't see so many as the likes of FF and RM because of numbers involved and that in a smaller community it may be more difficult to merge successfully. Over on FF, I've developed a nose for such agitators and it's a curious subject that is worth a thread of it's own. SM has inserted new layers between what goes on upstairs at Ibrox and the supporter. These layers should help a flow of information and subsequent organisation (the positive), they do but this has to battle against disinformation, spin, confusion, the seeking of division etc. (negative). The negative forces who at the top are paid to do their worst, tend to be more organised, informed and have more established conduits to use after many years of doing similar or you could say developing the battleground to their requirements regarding division. In simplespeak, the 'negative' forces fight for them what is a vital battle to keep the 'positive' down and facilitate an enviroment whereby it's easier for those in executive control to do as they will. Obviously this particular 'battleground' is wider than just SM and uses the traditional media as an essential tool within the struggle. The disturbing tendency throughout society is that it is becoming easier 'to fool most of the people'. Social Media is what you make of it.
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I admitted my grammar was poor. The joke was on the 'teacher' but PLGSarmy got there before me and I should have left it at that, you live & learn.
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Have certainly spent a lot this season but LVG has been in a hurry and IMO has recruited unevenly throughout the team. It's partly the pressure of being at a club like ManUtd and the Dutchman doesn't yet seem to bringing his experience to bear, more showing signs of stress and a lack of confidence.
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You got there before me. Must be thinking of so many young fillies at an advanced age that short wires his grammar !
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Timescales have changed drastically.
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Online Indefatigability doesn't always equate to staisfactory answers. Amongst several, there is a particular issue that simply doesn't go away and has forced many on this thread to forcefully register their unhappiness. It needs addressing, although we may have to wait until after the next RFB meeting to see what happens.