buster.

The squad and the radar are two different things.

I don't think you are liable to get a 'measured reaction' if the problem to be addressed has been evident for a longtime, has been allowed to fester because of a lack of unified, organised & coherent action. All within what is perceived to be an increasingly hostile enviroment. That said the club and the new fans group seem to be on the same page and something more constructive may come of it. I'd agree that forcing Petrie out and forcing our side of the argument into the mainstream are realistic goals. Police investigations and the independent commission will take care of themselves.

The response from those in positions of 'responsibility', ie. Rod Petrie, said it all. He defiantly and repeatedly refused to categorize as 'disgraceful', any attacks on Rangers players by his clubs fans. His disdain and indifference were written all over his face. 7 minutes into the video linked below http://stv.tv/sport/football/1354888-see-hibs-chairman-rod-petrie-respond-to-cup-final-crowd-disorder/ --------------- If the Hibs chairman and SFA Vice President can get away with it then 'throw away the keys'.

To do anything constructive about it, the club and the support together have to act. It's been years of our support suffering, the club keeping their distance and the cornering of both the support and club (that generally looked the other way and refused to recognize/deal with problem). The players being attacked on Saturday and subsequent aftermath was the crossing of a line that appears to have the club and support on the same page regards the general 'political' situation.

In many parts of the world the political scene is shifting. That includes many 'Western Democracies' where the many of the electorate are unhappy, confused and worse off in several ways, including their pocket. This has opened the door to political opportunity for both 'progressives' and 'extremists'. What may have been wild speculation and unthinkable a decade ago is becoming considered speculation, very possible and in some cases probable or has happened. Politicaly, Scotland has become much more polarised and active but is a bit of a basketcase with no credible opposition. The UK is now a place where the government run/back electoral campaigns that include overt racism as a tool, eg London Mayor campaign run by Lynton Crosby. Far-right parties are getting closer to actual government in several countries, eg. last week it was Austria. I guess what I'm pointing towards are some dangerous tendencies within political attitudes/change,...where in time the denial, attempt to mitigate and deflection from attacks on football players because of the colour of their jersey.......... is a stage towards an altogether darker and more dangerous chain of events.

Listening to the tone of his interview I doubt he'd of resigned even if he'd come out with 'they desreved all they got'. The narrative being peddled is that he wasn't in full possession of the facts when talking about 'exuberence' but the refusal to use 'disgraceful' if there had beemn an on-field attack on footballers is what corners him. This is what should be being used.

He refused to call his clubs fans attacking Rangers players disgraceful when repeatedly given the opportunity by RB of STV. Instead he preferred the word 'unacceptable'* .....ie. indifference. Not to mention not getting in touch with Rangers after the event, either with his club hat (violent fans) or SFA hat (security mgmt)...ie. disdain and lack of responsibility that comes with being chairman of a FC and VP of ther SFA. * video unacceptable/disgraceful at 7mins in http://stv.tv/sport/football/1354888-see-hibs-chairman-rod-petrie-respond-to-cup-final-crowd-disorder/

Editor must be being told by more than one person that story is kosher but I'd very much doubt he's got more to go on than their word and it's doubtful any footage will be released prior to the commission. I'd be interested to know if Irvine/MH is currently contracted and doing work for the Police Federation.

She may end up being thrown to the wolves with the DR citing here tweeting history as a reason, in an effort to 'stop the bleeding'. ps. Have I used enough cliches to be able to apply for a job as a SMSM hack ?

Good Important to get all the available facts to hand and use them well.

The interests of Rangers and the fans group should be more closely aligned than the comparitive example you give. Neither can fans do much about your comparitive example but can re. fans group if they see something they don't like.

There would seem to be various opportunities opening up but we have to be careful about how we go about taking them and not fall into traps. The club and main supporters group should maybe get together for 'a chat'. As Frankie inferred on Saturday night, boxing clever will be more effective than instintive anger.

It's the obvious starting place from the moment it became clear our players had been attacked.

MW won't be changing the general way we play but may make tweaks for certain matches. It's about improving the quality and mitigating/removing any weak links that he may see. This would mostly be about player recruitment, which he wants done asap. Then in pre-season trying to fit it together, make it work and be ready for the 16th of July. I think it'll suit us having the League Cup group games to get up to speed.

To a degree but I don't think he is blameless for the waste. Good luck to them but we won't miss any of the three.

Spiers at work. 1. No need to go to game. 2. Write line/conclusion about Rangers fans, blame and term 'fenian bastards' 3. Figure out a way to reach this conclusion that loosely fits events and also states a case for both sides of opinion on social media before reaching conclusion. 4. Go over text and stick a couple of 'long words' in. ------------------- His MO in recent years has been to give an impression of taking into account both sides of story before always falling off the fence into the same garden. He has tried to be more controversial at times to get more radio gigs but only comes accross as a pathetic attention seeker with no original thought.

I think it's an opportunity to have it ripped up or heavily ammended. If something isn't working (listen to police, judiciary, football fans, other political opinion) you can either change it or stick your head in the sand, up the stakes and make it worse for yourself.

Spiers seems to have broadened his horizons and has invented his own 'contempt-meter' so as to measure it's ongoing levels and later be able point to the motives behind the actions. It just so happens that this new technology is not so subtley blaming Rangers supporters and is linked to the word 'fenian'. No surprise there....... Spiers is one of the consistent areas of "loathing" within Scottish football and his predictable dribble that helped shape the current cack-handed and unworkable balls-up of reactive legislation is a poor excuse for original thought and real journalism. Legislation, Policing, Governing bodies (SFA/SPFL), Journalism in Scottish football.......... ........... it's all low/poor quality, self-interested, unimaginative and ineffective. We Deserve Better

The current trend seems to be a general increase in 'trouble' or anti-social behaviour at the football (I'd class trouble as violence and A-SB as other) and it wouldn't surprise me greatly if as you say the Scottish Government discussed/try to implement more ineffective legislation that would actually make matters worse. What should be pushed for within or at the edges of the independent commission is getting rid of the current unworkable legislation that has the Polis more interested in song lyrics and videos. Disband the 'Thought Police' Dept., get rid of the police spindoctors, do your job and take responsibility where necessary instead of making up excuses.

It was also too late. Forethought, intelligence gathering and (contingent) planning etc.,should have made '10 minute crisis meeting' unnecessary. On various levels Police Scotland doesn't seem to be doing a reasonable job and too much of their money is allocated towards spindoctors instead of getting their act together. The legislators have failed with their cack-handed and discrimitory laws that the police and judiciary struggle to use.

Some amount of work has gone into this. Very funny in places ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59qOjN9Pq8

Rooney, a man whose bank account outweighs his talent. At times has been a fantastic player but seemed to peak early, regress and drift in an out of form....never really becoming the player some thought he might.

A one season ban from the SC is I think merited, realistic and as far as I think it will go (might well be a lesser punishment). Stand or stadium closures in the SC might not effect them for several seasons so a simple ban would be served next season and would send a message regards the seriousness of what happened (never known a SC Cup ban in my puff). They won the Cup and the European place that goes with it in the 90 minutes of play. I wouldn't be for touching that given the SFA's share in responsibility. Bear in mind that the draw for European qualifers is on the 20th of June and I wouldn't imagine any commission will be reporting until after that. We'll get fined aswell.

Stubbs probably sees himself working in England and doesn't feel the need to ingratiate himself to the usual suspects so keenly.

Changing ever-more ingrained attitudes is a very difficult task. First step on a long and rocky road is to push general awareness and start a discussion/argument. This statement, for example subtley points to Rod Petrie as a man with an important dual responsibility who is also guilty of difiance and indifference as Rangers players are attacked by Hibs fans under SFA security magmt.