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Rather than reacting simply to a defeat, it was more the manner of the defeat that has had some reading slightly more into it than a meaningless friendly result. MW has said that the pre-season has been far from ideal and perhaps that is refelected in the team not being at the stage he would have wanted a week prior to the league starting, including probably not knowing what his best starting XI are yet. The other question is how long will it take Kranjcar to get up to speed because he was so far off the pace that you begin to wonder if he's going to become a luxury we can't afford to start against decent opposition.

The piece of skill from Ibrahiamovic in 27 seconds was something else. The actual finish was pretty much standard ZI. Saw him in some CL games last season and ZI is definately on the way down and I was surprised MU signed him although I guess he's box office and helps the commercial brand. Obviously still a player but if MU want to compete at the very top level they are going to need footballers in their prime. Although I guess a one year contract means he won't be playing CL and it is more understandable. MUtd post Ferguson - Long term project who wasn't really backed / binned - Experienced supposedly safe pair of hands who got loads of money / binned - Throw mucho money at manager with great track record but has he past his best ?

It wasn't laziness yesterday, he was just way off the pace. His style is languid but he needs to be sharp to carry this off against decent opposition and not get closed down and become a passenger. I think you'll find the ICT's and Dundee's of the league will look to close him down quickly and it'll be up to NK to get up to a level where he'll be able to cope with that. We all know NK was a quality player and that we'll see glimpses of that but he'll need to get a lot fitter and sharper to make a contribution that helps make us a team who can win the league. To compete for the league we'll need to win most of our games from the get-go and it starts next weekend.

After seeing some of the pre-season games, I'd be surprised if we won it this year. Kranjcar looks way off the pace and unless he improves fitness and sharpness markedly, top tier sides will close him down very quickly and he'll become a bit of a luxury we won't be able to afford at times.....On the positive Windass has looked decent. I've preferred Rossiter to Barton tbh. JR looks a real player in the making.............. but at least that is a positive dilema. Without going through the whole team, when MW talks about a forward and a defender........if he were to get a decent one of each we'd be in a better place.

It was due to be presented to the SFA board by today, so I'd imagine it will go puiblic this week sometime.

Fans are always important. Bridges, of occasion are necessary We'll wait until the commission reports, then you can tell us what you think the club should do ?

What would you suggest the club do ?

That is hugely disappointing to hear.

We might end up playing Hamilton at Ibrox twice in 4 days

I think it is the following potentials in the draw tomorrow. Hamilton Inverness St.Johnstone Peterhead Queen of the South Motherwell Ayr Dundee Utd or Dunfermline (play tomorrow) The seeded teams include Alloa, Morton, Partick aswell as ourselves and the four teams in Europe.

Interesting to see Hill start. Probably earmarked for first choice going forward. Part of a more experienced spine of 'leaders'. Wallace (captain) Hill Barton Halliday Miller

We'll have to see what the commission says but there is no doubt both sets of fans will be criticised. The part played by the Hibs fans will hopefully be fully highlighted and reflected when it comes to punishment...and I agree regards the SC ban for Hibs because fans physically attacking football players on the field of play needs such a punishment to be seen implemented. ps. It was the Police Federation that spun a line via Jane Hamilton.

Ian The statement (in part) was weak and unsustainable. In as much as that position was unlikely to be able to be further defended at a later date, if/when the police investigated and brought subsequent charges that led to convictions. Since that statement, we have had the intervention of the Scottish Justice Minister (incidently, whose party would love the opportunity to go after Rangers) and the SPFL's reply which fell short of doing what the minister wanted but did vote through a resolution that puts more onus on clubs to tighten regulations on unacceptable conduct. So even if the club in it's statement thought it possible to fully follow up on it, the ground rules/enviroment have since changed. To be clear and only IMO, the initial statement was in part, making a rod for the clubs own back, ie. a position that was unlikely to be sustainable and after further events became clearly unsustainable. --------------------- ie. the club (as a member of the SPFL) has taken the only route realistically open to it at this time but has clarified what will happen if those charged are found 'not guilty'. We live in a time when Scottish legislation openly discriminates against the football supporter and has helped to set a tone which was emphasized by the Justice Minister post SCF when putting pressure on Scottish clubs/governing body.

They certainly seem to be plodding their way through this investigation. You can almost visualise a picture of 1 nearly retired polisman having been assigned a large cupboard and given a TV and accessories, a pile of videos, an instruction manuel of how to screen grab and put together a tiled line-up of faces with the brief that when you have completed a set of 12, send it up to X.....but on the last weekend of July when the commission is due to report just send up whatever you have ready, even if it's only 5.

It remains to be seen how this will pan out but if it were to fizzle out, it would send out some very negative messages / invitations.

Unfortunately it becomes more understandable in light of what has happened since the SCF. - Scottish Justice Minister calls on strict liability to be adopted by clubs or else other action may be forced upon him - SPFL refuses to do so - However SPFL vote through a resolution that puts more onus on clubs to tighten regulations on unacceptable conduct

Interesting 26th ! Have took the liberty of C&Ping on FF with namecheck. -------------------- JMcF is a guy who has studied journalism and would seem to be looking to open a pathway towards more visual involvement and possibly a professional career. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but I think to some kind of degree the emergence of JMcF and his subsequent ouput reflects the pressures he may feel regard the shape and tone required to 'get-on'. If true, it serves as another example as to how, over the past decades we have generally become outsider wrt the Scottish media or at least, streets behind the Celtic-Minded political lobby and friends. This may mean that where in the media the Celtic-Minded have power, they will opportunistically look at recruitment/output with an eye to legitimising their bias by selecting, putting editorial or other pressure on individuals and shaping that output to what they want. Of course, it may simply be a recognition from JMcF himself of the situation and a decision to go with the flow for his own personal professional ambitions. The bigger issue is the media and how we have lost proportionate voice/influence.

Helps drive commerce How easy is it for the bookies to make money and for online newspapers to get clicks ?

The sun rays choose Frank over RVP

Mibbes aye mibbes naw ! The cruz of the matter being, what would a 33 year old RVP bring in 2016/17 regards state of mind and body #gamble

I think Souness was the 'biggest ever signing' in Scottish football and thereafter the surprise / impact element wasn't as great. Although Maurice Johnston and Gazza might run him close. ---------------- I can't see how RVP can be viable but football can be an unpredictable place. If we did have access to such finance,.... I think it could be spent more wisely

And perhaps we should give them a chance to get up and running without being so liberal with gratuitous digs or (from other quarters) dishonest campaigns. When there are so many things to consider (especially on the legal side), a rushed response is seldom a good one. From memory they did get involved regards the article that appeared in the DR on behalf of the Police Federation. They took their time, did their research, gathered evidence and put forward an excellent statement.

If you are a member couldn't you ask them directly, instead of the gratuitous dig.

I think this recent talk from the justice minister looking to take measures if 'strict liability' isn't enforced will have clubs worried and forced into taking strong measures when situations arise and generally strong rhetoric. I think the initial club statement (in specific parts) was making a rod for it's own back and sounded like Jim Traynor getting a bit carried away and not looking further than 2 days in front of him. You have to work within reality, it's laws and likely scenarios. That isn't to say they are correct or fair (they aren't IMO) but if you decide to go down a road you must be able to follow it up and continue going down it. It also has to be said that parts of our support don't seem to appreciate the real world and want the club to ban half the world, take on all perceived badies and run a successful club at the sametime.

'Pragmatic Scottish Law' will jail you longer for singing a song deemed 'naughty' than it will for attacking one of our players. If there are decisions to come from the commission you can be sure they will be made with the minimum amount of common sense possible and the maximum discriminatory use of rules & regulations against the football supporter,......... with one football club in particular focus.