buster.

.......but you forgot to mention it in the relevant post when my wording obviously referred to remit. Of course you........... "don't think you can be given authority, in terms of respect." ............that's because as we all know, you can't.

I didn't say he was a 'modern coach', I said it was a 'modern approach' from that club. If you want to change the wording to 'different' instead of modern, fine. It was different and generally considered as 'modern' or 'fashionable'. Delia was working within a football operation and he didn't GET GIVEN the authority that Rodgers would later be given. In that respect he was effectivelly swimming against the tide from the start. Part of the media ridiculed him to a degree (nothing compared with Cathro) and his immediate results in Europe were poor. He did have a strongish character but didn't apply it in a way that would be received favourably in Scotland. They learned from their mistake and at the time could afford to make it.

In Delia's case it was about a board decision and was authority within a football operation he wasn't given. It was their go at a 'modern approach'. They did it knowing they'd win the title regardless but eventually they acted on a problem when they saw us about to return to the top flight, not to mention their lack of CL revenue under the Norwegian. I'd agree in the case of Cathro but it was a double whammy with him, ie. didn't 'exude' authority, nor was it given to him. This led to public ridicule and an inevitabe conclusion. In this respect, Gerrard shouldn't have a problem when/if he arrives.

Moving onto Gerrard........... Hypothetically, he comes in and he is given authority and I think he obviously get's respect. He'd have to maintain it. IMO he needs three transfer windows to shape the squad, put his ideas into practise, make some mistakes, learn from it and be ready to really go for the beginning of 2019/20.

Yes, that is required, authority that leads to respect. Delia never had the authority (wasn't given it) and senior players didn't respect him as they should. This led to problems that at times became very apparent, eg. Commons bench outburst. It was clear that this wasn't working so they changed the manager but kept the players who on the whole had been recruited at the right age and had their careers in front of them. Hence, Rodgers comes in and has something to work with. ie. If Rodgers was to become Rangers manager tomorrow, he wouldn't be able to replicate what he did in his first season at celtic. That in itself should demonstrate the extent of the task in front of a new manager and the reason why we'll need to be patient, even if a first season was to be a relative success......because a relative success won't be enough for those without patience.

I think the board sometimes try to placate the support thinking o the VERY short-term rather than properly run a business thinking at least a couple of years down the line. This should have been about building something rather than the annual look for an expensive, veteren and immediate fix. If the board had done what I think they should have with regard to giving manager and public realistic expectation levels then they wouldn't have been popular but they may have been doing something right. What is evident is that the cut-price immediate fix route doesn't work and leaves a trail of expensive but unproductive contracts to pay.

It's fair enough to look at the positives of a potential Gerrard appointent but I'd rather have the proven track record of coaching and improving players/team that a Clarke has. However, tbf, going on about Clarke is pointless in itself. If Gerrard is to join then we have to get behind him and be prepared to exercise more patience than is the norm.

You'd have thought so but some clubs have tried the Head Coach with diluted authority within a football operation. SPFL Hearts had mixed results, Neilson did ok whilst Cathro bombed and forced DoF to become authoritive manager. Celtic: Delia got binned. ------------ That said I think Gerrard would be given the authority.

I would argue that the modern approach didn't work for Celtic, ie. Ronnie Delia as Head Coach with diluted authority. It required a 'mix' of a modern football operation with an authoritive figure as manager who wielded the real power within. ----------------- I've said on several occasions that if we go down the 'expendable' Head Coach/DoF route we'll go through them like golf balls. We need a leader who is comfortable and competent with real authority in charge of a modern day operation. If the funds are there to attract Gerrard his staff and bankroll them then I'd have thought we should have enough to attract a more experienced and IMO suitable candidate.

Tomorrow Never Dies, it's more the today that is the problem.

Agreed, forget about them for next season and concentrate in improving our football operation and building a squad with a younger average age.

Emotive speech material, gifs and pixies ain't going to cut it.

Peace brother Let's see what actually happens and then we can resume the discussion.

Nice line but it is empty rhetoric that can be repeated all you want, it won't address the current problems.

I said they are out of sight in many different aspects, not just on the pitch. They have a very strong base from which to work. When Rodgers joined he actually had a lot of decent footballers on the staff that could be improved. Ironically, Rodgers recruitment has been patchy and nor has he net spent a lot of money on players. We seem to have committed to a DoF and improving our football operation but this won't transform everything overnight. IMO we need to build a squad of players that most have their career in front of them and not the customary list of 30+ year olds who miss half the season through injury or whatever baggage whilst topping up their pension.

Rangers play in Scotland and it's that enviroment that is relevant to this discussion. What works or doesn't in Germany has regrettably very little relevance to our lot up north. Let me spell this out for you. In the current circumstances, a laptop type of manager won't work at Ibrox. Taking that further, a laptop manager without any managerial experience taking over the club would be "institutional Failure" part II. I shouldn't have referred to experienced leadership as being 'old-fashioned', it's simply practical common sense.

What would be acceptable for you ?

Look at the other side of the fence. Celtic as a club are light years ahead of us in many respects. They have NEVER been stronger whilst we aren't far from being the polar opposite. They are currently out of sight and when they come up against us on the park, they tend to make a point of turning up and in turn exert more pressure on our club. Expectations are unrealistic and it effects confidence, fragility, splinters the dressing room and we end up not being able to to withstand the likes of Aberdeen or the Sheep. As I said on another thread, we need to forget about them for at least 12 months and try and build something. We need to communicate this to the support and be honest with them opposed to the 55 marketing. We could still stop 10IAR but it won't be next season.

MW, PC and GM One important aspect IMO is unreasonable expectation levels relative to tools at their disposal. I think it wears management and players down and they can't perform to even the best of their actual ability. The managers end up thankful to leave.

I might be asking for the impossible but we need to forget about Celtic, at least for the next 12 months. We need to invest in the right people and start to build something that hasn't got immediate unreasonable expectation hanging over it and battering them every few weeks. Chasing losses at the bookies tends to end badly and that is what we have been doing. My first impression of a potential Gerrard appointment is that it is more of the same. .

Yes, it was what AJ called "institutional failure" that brought Pedro Caixinha to the club, gave him a budget to work with and then brought in a DoF. I'd imagine that AJ is insisting on business being conducted in a 'proper way' this time with regard to who is responsible for what is the right man within the set-up. However, this wouldn't give any guarantees.

Just to butt in on this specific. Souness is a very different character to Gerrard. Souness had a known charisma to Scottish football and the type of personality that simply took over Scottish football and had all and sundry eating out of his hand. If appointed, Gerrard might find it difficult to get off the back foot given what will come his way and he doesn't have the force of personality or direct knowledge of the situation up here to be able to change that himself. It'll be down to results and the 'stardust' flak jacket will only give him a small window.

New and modern ideas aren't enough on their own and having someone who has never managed or been a Manager/Number One impart said ideas is higher risk than need be. Cathro was an example of your typical laptop coach who was on a hiding to nothing in the world of Scottish fitbaw. He was like the specky new kid in class who the school bullies see as easy meat. The latter being the media who were itching to get after him and the extra pressure was on from before his first game. He was too weak and turned up for a while hiding his bruises but in the end, his diluted authority was largely ignored by players and he left the building, probably never to manage at a decent level again. Sometimes, I think there are 'laptop messageboard posters' who see nearly everything through stats and formations. Fair enough, it plays it's part but that alone isn't going to cut it at Ibrox. We need some real old fashioned leadership, allied to experience, football savvy and an eye for a player that'll fit within a plan. .

Barack Obama said the same !

Status quo would mean 3 points at best IMO. The old Al Pacino speech comes to mind "....either we heal now as a team or we will die as individuals............" This team has died and there is no leadership on the park or in the dug-out, nor any connection between. Status Quo = Guaranteed defeats in our last two games and points from Killie, dependent on if have put the tools away.