buster.

That is the point. Many seem 'to value' the Union, ahead of the nation and (metaphorically) wave that flag. I was brought up in the East and I always considered myself Scottish and as I got older, the Union, as a longtime political construct. I'd do away with all flags tbh, patriotism is too often badly abused by the few and often used against the best interests of the majority of the people.

As we all knew, the League games after the European matches have all been moved to Sunday. https://rangers.co.uk/matches The potential issue occurs if: 1. Rangers and Celtic get past Ayr Utd and St.Johnstone respectively and reach the League Cup semi-finals. and 2. Rangers and Celtic avoid each other in draw for semi-finals. Both teams have EL matches on Thursday 25th October League Cup semi-finals are scheduled for Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th October. Either us or them would have about 38 hours between BIG games. We have Spartak Moscow at Ibrox. They have a trip to Germany.

Yes, it is.....just a different flag. In Scotland, you have Celtic fans with Irish flags and Rangers fans with Union flags

Fine, I would say Dorrans being available for 2 or 3 group games in a position we are short trumps that of Wallace, in a position we are well covered....but thems opinions and wrt Dorrans return from injury timescale that will only be known to a few, including who selected the squad (SG). You said the club in your opinion, was being vindictive. If that was the case, why did they allow SG to bring him onto the pitch against Motherwell when the player had already taken the case to appeal ? I'll leave this one here as I think we'd just go round in circles.

Fine, but from a football perspective We can only pick 4 Association Trained Players...... Would you put Wallace ahead of Arfield, Jack, Halliday and Dorrans ? After Barisic and Flanagan, Halliday offers cover at both LB, DCM and potentially more. SG has used him and trusts him. That leaves Dorrans, he gets ahead because he offers something we are short of and if he could be available for the second half of the group, it would IMO provide a better option than LW, with three options in already for Left Back.

IMO it had a lot to do with the previous years of Chris McLaughlin spearheading the BBC Scotland conduit (and requested slant) for the whichever 'spiv(s) Jack Irvine was serving at the time. IMO, he had it coming and fully deserved it. However, one way or tuther, the 'case' should have been put out there of the Head football writer of the National Broadcaster playing for one side.

Siege Mentality only goes so far.

Toxic Jack Irvine was presented with the gig by sir Duped and it was as much about PR for Murray than for Rangers. He then became a 'continuity bridge' for the endless stream of spivs, again paid by Rangers but actually acting in other individuals best interests. Traynor was an ex-journalist who in his first gig, has proved himself to not be very good at PR, as subtle as a hammer. The story goes that it was Traynor who took McLaughlin to the front door and told him to leave. If true, without any thought of how to play the immediate situation. I take you back to where I think we erred wrt the beginning of an 'ongoing situation' Rangers haven't had well directed and competent PR in place for god knows how long. No surprise what follows...........

He wasn't removed from the sqaud. There are easily justifiable football reasons as to why Wallace didn't get into the 22 man squad (see the 4th post on this thread).

In recent years PR wrt fans has been 'tell them what they want to hear' and later we'll see if we can do anthing. Sometimes it works, other times, not. Again, the lack of a collective holistic strategy being evident.......and the impression of less than competent executives doing the day to day.

I often harp on about reactionary management opposed to strategic. You can see many examples of this during the last few years and one of those was the withdrawal of press privileges from Chris McLaughlin.......or rather to do so without making it very clear why the action was taken and in so doing effectively giving BBC Scotland a case to answer. I think the club were right to do it but didn't handle it well.

Regards the current 'relationship' between the Rangers support/brand and the SNP. My impression from afar is that the heightened political polarisation that came from an Independence Referendum coinciding with the relatively new medium of social media took things to a level of evident, in your face anomosity that hadn't been seen before. The fact that some Rangers supporters politically lean towards the SNP will in many cases probably be an opinion formed prior to the more in your face general confrontation. Bottomline IMO, is that whilst I respect those whose politics stem from or are linked to the football team they support, equally they should respect those whose politics have nothing to do with the team they support.

Daily Record (Keith Jackson) this morning............... The 31-year-old (Wallace) has fought his way back into the first team plans of new boss Gerrard after returning to fitness, coming off the bench in a 3-3 draw at Motherwell and travelling to Russia as part of the squad which secured a Europa League place. But, having led the club on its journey up through Scotland’s lower leagues, Wallace has been unexpectedly axed from those glamour European clashes with Villareal, Spartak Moscow, and Rapid Vienna after being left out of Gerrard’s list to make way for new signings and a bunch of back-up players from the youth ranks. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kenny-miller-lee-wallace-set-13199056 ----------- Jackson ignores/doesn't know the UEFA EL rules (below) on how European squad lists work. IMO he helps slants the piece by ignoring any incovenient facts. Our A List is restricted to 22 players because we must have 8 locally trained players and 4 of those must be 'club trained players' (we only have 1, McGregor so 3 slots in squad stay empty) leaving a maximum of 4 'Association trained players' and there are others in front of him in the pecking order for those 4 slots because they offer cover in more than one position. The B List "bunch of back-up players from the youth ranks" includes a rule....'A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1997'...Wallace was born in 1987. Anyone with a twitter account could call Jackson out for it,...... a poor professional who doesn't bother researching the details behind what he writes in a newspaper. UEFA rules Page 38 and the section starting at 42.01 https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/55/82/82/2558282_DOWNLOAD.pdf

He's going to get 4x3m in the centre circle to build a dookit.

Any serious football club doing their due dilligence wouldn't offer AMcC the first team manager role.

Pay closer attention to the emoji used.

Professional football is a long way from being a sport,...It's big business that dominates nearly all decisions and uses football as a vehicle.

Bottomline, you are a Football Socialist Maybe one day, you'll see why we need such changes/corrections in wider society (in The Lounge).

I'd have thought it wise for any fledgling politician in Scotland not to publicly declare an allegiance to either Rangers or Celtic. I think it less likely for one to declare himself a fan of Rangers given that todays Scottish football enviroment has developed into a bit of a Rangers v the rest........Hence a politican who will be campaigning for votes won't be keen on making his task more difficult. The 'Celtic Minded Activists' have for a number of years been actively trying to push this angle (marginalisation) as much as they can.

No surprise to see Jackson being the one to get the first nod. Miller will be giving him his story soon.

No problem TSBear ! Best way to get a handle on it is to read the UEFA EL rules rather than have my faulty grammar as a go-between. It's not that much really,... page 38 and the section starting at 42.01 https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/55/82/82/2558282_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Livingston F.C. seemed to effectively have Kenny Miller on an X week trial period where they weren't contractually obliged to pay him off if they decided to give him the boot before 'trial period' finished. You wonder if, given the number of managers wanting a job, some are now obliged to sign up to a 'trial period'?...Stubbs ?

As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" and no club may have more than four "association-trained players" listed in these eight places on List A We have four association-trained players (ATP) and one club-trained player (CTP). 4 + 1 = 5 Minimum of locally trained players (ATP + CTP) = 8 less 5 (number we actually have) = 3 empty slots = 22 man squad

As a follow-on from the squad post........It seems as though Lee Wallace hasn't been included because we are limited in available slots. Football wise that suggests SG sees Left Back pecking order as: 1. Barisic 2. Flanagan (if not covering for Tav or suspended) 3. Halliday (if not covering for midfield) Wallace doesn't provide the versatility that the others do. ------------ Regards Rossiter/Dorrans The later is I think an 'association trained player' (ATP) which may be why he was able to be included.

We have 22 players in List 'A' (max of 25) We haven't 25 because we won't be able to fit the necessary quota regards 'club trained players' and/or 'association trained players'. Squad List https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2019/clubs/club=50121/squad/ Rather than try and explain the ins and outs, here is a link that does it better......Go to page 38 and the section starting at 42.01 https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/55/82/82/2558282_DOWNLOAD.pdf ps. Note that our current squad list is what has to do us all the way to the Final.....with a maximum of 3 changes allowed after the group stage and before Feb 1st, always respecting the quotas (club trained players' and 'association trained players').