Hildy
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That's three blaming the board now.
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That's two now who will blame the club's ownership.
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You will blame the regime. Fair enough. Does anyone else want to answer?
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If Murray Park is sold, or sold and leased back within the next twelve months, who will you blame? Will you blame the club's ownership or will you blame fellow fans for not buying season tickets? Will you side with the board when they try to tell us that this is a good move, of will you point the finger at Rangers supporters for opting out of buying STs? Some have been expecting this move for some time - no matter what level our ST sales were at this season.
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Each member of staff gets two free season tickets? What size of staff do we have including players?
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Interesting. No mention of Murray Park although it does say that it wants to protect the club's assets - and no number given of season ticket sales so far, which tends to suggest that it is not an impressive figure.
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Many people, several thousand by the looks of things, believe that the club is owned by people who are out to make a fast buck in any way that they can. This, as you are no doubt aware, is the polite way of saying it. If people are convinced that their club is not properly benefiting from their financial input, that certain personnel are overpaid and underworked, that key employees are not up to the task and that the structure of the club from top to bottom is not for for purpose, they are perfectly entitled to withdraw their support until the situation improves. If people believe that their club is losing money due to dubious ownership, and if they keep giving it their money anyway, it becomes a triumph of loyalty over commonsense. They are effectively paying to have a club that will not fulfil its potential. This is the slow and undignified way to obscurity. Put crudely, if people believe that they are giving money to crooks, and this is actually what many Rangers fans believe, they can hardly look themselves in the mirror and respect what they see. You may be happy with the integrity of this regime. You may be happy to financially support it too, but you and others like you have to realise that thousands of Rangers fans hold an extremely dim view of the club's ownership and they are either struggling to support it or not supporting it at all. When people perceive that their club is making a mug out of them, as many do, they will walk away, and the saddest part is that some will not return.
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The King/Gough scheme was never impressive and the way it operated did nothing to reassure those who belonged to it. How many joined? We still don't know. It's easy to knock it but it at least tried to address the grim situation at Rangers. The alternative seems to be to hand over whatever is asked to a regime that isn't trusted, respected or liked. This doesn't seem to be much of a plan either but it allows people to believe that they are being loyal and a sense of superiority can sometimes be detected amongst those stumping up, often unquestioningly. I believe the boycotters want what is best for Rangers, as we surely all do, but they have realised that the club is heading for a bad place and want to stop the rot. In this, they are right. What they have attempted to do though, through King and Gough, is not so much wrong as well-intentioned and misguided, however their actions have caused thousands of fans to pause for thought and hold back, so there has been a visible effect on the wider fanbase. We are now between the devil and the deep blue sea. Stumping up to prop up a detested regime is not going to appeal to anyone whose self-respect comes higher in life's list of priorities than their football club allegiance - and this is a significant number. People really have to grasp this. If the club has become poisoned from within, as many now believe, boycotters are as justified in their view as those who believe tickets should be bought without hesitation. We have two camps with one thing in common. Neither knows what to do to repair Rangers. Funding a dubious regime will not fix this club, however boycotting - on its own - is not going to put things right either. It has to be fan ownership now, which has lost its impetus due to the needless splintering of groups advocating this approach, or a millionaire buyout, which could happen tomorrow - or never. Rangers has lost its way so badly that a desperate outcome is now a possibility. Maybe fate will lend a hand, which is what most are quietly hoping for, but even if it does, I'm not sure that we really deserve it. A more dysfunctional and incompetent support is hard to imagine.
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Their belief has been for 'some time'. That dates it and also suggests that the sale of Murray Park was planned before any season ticket boycott played a part in proceedings.
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What is going on here? This reads like Murray Park has already been conceded. "Why does this statement not ask about Auchenhowie? Simple, there's no point in asking for something you can't get and our belief for sometime has been that our training ground will go soon as negotiations have been ongoing for some time." Have they been sitting on important information relating to Murray Park and keeping it quiet? If negotiations have been going on for some time, why not say so before now? If they believe it, shouldn't they have made it as clear as they could as early as they could? It is being implied that it is too late to change anything re Murray Park, and yet they have known for 'some time' that it was being negotiated away. Their belief is based on a statement that 'negotiations have been ongoing for some time'. This belief then seems to be based on knowledge. Someone needs to ask Rangers - quite bluntly - if there is any truth in the rumour that it is preparing to unload Murray Park.
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Battery technology seems to lag well behind smartphone and computer technology.
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Tapatalk drains the battery? Significantly?
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I have no problem with religion being his calling. I'd ask him whose side Jesus would be on here though . . .
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I'm not sure, but an official 'at a glance' app that is up to the minute with fixture and ticket details is surely a priority for a club as big as ours.
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Rangers should provide a free app that is fully up to date with fixture details and ticket information. They can always sell advertising space on it.
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You would think that a Protestant minister would have enough radical edge to dismiss this stunt for what it is, but his comments suggest that he is out of touch and seriously misguided.
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Tartan Army accuse SFA of season ticket rip-off......
Hildy replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
A 'Tartan Army footsoldier' - said, apparently, in all seriousness. -
Ally McCoist and Rangers: Time for some home truths
Hildy replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
My attention was drawn to a Groucho Marx quote about television. Apparently, he found it very educational - every time someone switched it on he headed to the library to read a book. I had a heavy day travelling yesterday and when I returned home, the Rangers game in Canada had already started. Did I try to find a live stream? Was I curious about who was in the team and how we were playing? No. I noted a few internet comments and caught up with more newsworthy items. A few years ago, I could never have imagined this day, but now I feel further from the club than the lengthy Atlantic crossing to North America. It's getting harder to convince myself that this club deserves my attention and my support. So many have given up on it and I just can't get angry with them. When I can't be bothered watching Rangers on a live stream, I can hardly blame those who have chucked it altogether. -
Is that based on wishful thinking or something more substantial? We all want the best for the club but I've yet to meet someone who can guarantee that this will end well.
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The fat end of £1m poorly spent.
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Those who marched will say that they got off their backsides and did something, but 3,000 looks like a generous estimate of the numbers and it will easily be dismissed by the Rangers board. Indeed they might even believe that the worst is over given the low turnout and this is where a march can be counter-productive. Plenty of notice was given for this march and bad weather is no excuse for a disappointing turnout. Did several thousand Rangers fans, furious at the way the club is run, choose not to go when they saw the rain falling? Of course not. Being well-intentioned in the face of difficulty is only half the battle. Finding a workable solution is the hard part and the SOS group doesn't appear to be offering one. Saying 'no' to Murray, Whyte, Green and the current lot is all very well, but there is nothing on offer from this group to say 'yes' to. Constructive ideas are needed far more than marches which, quite frankly, are achieving little or nothing at all. I sympathise with those who want change but marching to Ibrox is really just a last resort for a support that wants to do something, but has nothing innovative to offer. These marches sum up where we are: devoid of the imagination and the will to effectively bring about change. Here we stand. Clueless.
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Things are pretty bad when Rangers fans are talking about it being preferable to miss out on promotion if it helps to get rid of Ally. We desperately need a change of management, but missing out on promotion would be catastrophic and the last straw for a support that is fed up following a club that has a poor manager, a poor captain and a poor board. The suspicion that Rangers is damaged goods, and maybe even a spent force, will bed in and grow if promotion doesn't happen. Most perceptive observers know that Rangers is dysfunctional from top to bottom, but being stuck in a lower division would confirm it to all but the daftest.
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Recovery. Will there be one? I'm not convinced that there will. The time will surely come when we look back on this period and realise that we are the people who lived through an era when the rot set in and things started to fall apart. Even now, we think we will recover because we are Rangers. We expect a rich man to step up and sweep all our troubles away. We believe that things will turn out for the best - not because we have reason to - but because we believe: we just believe. We think that things can't get any worse and that the only way is up, but we could not be more wrong. The most depressing aspect of this saga - and there has been a litany of depressing tales in the past few years - is the attitude I've come across from several fans. Having been so close to the edge, and having looked briefly over, some Rangers fans have realised that they can live with the club fading away or collapsing. In their hearts, they don't believe we are the same club anyway, even though - thank the Lord - we are. Some have joined golf clubs and bowling clubs while others have made a point of having a new 'hobby' in their lives. Let me be clear. They will not be returning - not in any circumstances. They believe that the club has left them as much as they have left the club. They have pondered life without Rangers and decided that they can handle it. More than that, and this is particularly worrying, they look back on their earlier Rangers fanaticism and judge themselves harshly. Not only have they given up on Rangers, they wonder why they ever got in so deep in the first place. How many are like this? I don't know, but having spoken frankly to colleagues and acquaintances about our situation, this attitude isn't as rare as we'd surely like it to be. The cataclysm of recent times has provided a period of reflection for some of us, and make no mistake, an unknown number are going to walk away and not look back.
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I'd like to know how they feel. Good or bad.
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I'm not one of its supporters, but while his plan was always doomed to fail, I think it has probably played a large part in many not renewing. The accompanying campaign put a strong message out that the club was not in a good place. While the plan has failed, the club has lost a large number of fans. It remains to be seen how this will influence future events.