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What exactly do I or any Rangers supporter or the club have to or need to be humble about ?

Dear me so many innocents and turn the other cheek merchants abroad at such an early hour.

English writes vitriol because he is a republican Rangers hating tosser who appeals to the quislings and Chamberlain types, quiet dignity and your articulate pish don't seem to get us very far just ask "humble Mather", where is Charlie when we need him that's right hunted by the pacifists and pc mob. Humble Mather can take a flyer, I nor any Rangers supporter has anything to be humble about. Interim chief executive Craig Mather said: "We have always been active and we continue on that road and be humble. It's been interesting but we've got there. I'm very happy."

What's poor is any backing or agreement to the slimeballs comments and anti Rangers agenda, you carry on some of us are definetly not for turning the other cheek, britney why the fuck would anyone worry about that shit stirring jump the dyke liewell licker, apparently you do.

How the fuck anyone can possibly think we were well served by any of the authorities is beyond me, the reprobate english should have his arse kicked back to were he came from.

What is fact is that criminal investigations are still ongoing which may result in the club and fans being the victims of criminal actions, if this is found to be the case will the authorities under whatever guise they now call themselves have anywhere near enough to pay damages.

Will the club ever fight back or are we Scottish football's permanent whipping boys, do our board have no shame as to their very public lack of backbone, perhaps they are to busy breaking bread with and praising our enemies. By TOM ENGLISH Published on 27/06/2013 00:00 SINCE Hearts went into administration there has been an uprising in parts of the country where Rangers fans sit with long memories of their own horrors from last summer. In the eyes of some of these Bears, the narrative is strangely different this time around. Barely a day goes by without some â?? or many â?? getting in touch via social networking to accuse the media and the SFA of double standards in the twin administrations. The bludgeon for Rangers a year ago but sympathy for Hearts now. What is the difference, they ask. Why hammer Rangers and then go easy on their counterparts in Edinburgh when they both fell foul of the same thing? The aggrieved Rangers fans remember the findings of the SFAâ??s judicial panel. The headlines were a whopping fine of £160,000 for the club plus a 12-month transfer embargo (later over-ruled by Lord Glennie, but still in force now on account of the agreement that saw Rangersâ?? entry into the Third Division). There is lingering resentment over all of that among Rangers folk plus a feeling that the treatment doled out to them last year should be repeated now that Hearts are in administration, too. Time and again Rangers people ask: â??What is the difference between us then and Hearts now?â? Truth be told, the difference, as it stands, is stark. Some remember the judicial panelâ??s bottom line in 2012 but forget the many steps the panel took to get there. It is surprising the number of Rangers fans who have it in their heads that their club was fined £160,000 and banned from signing players for a year simply because they were in administration. That is not the case. Far from it. The overall fine constituted a number of different fines for different offences that Hearts have not been charged with. Maybe the landscape will change a little once the SFA pull up the bonnet and have a look at what was gone in recent times at Tynecastle, but it is an almighty stretch to demand the same punishment for Hearts now as was handed down to Rangers then. That is what some Rangers people want. They claim that there is one rule for their put-upon club and another for Hearts. Yes, there is. Because their stories are different. Consider what Rangers were found guilty of by the judicial panel. Apart from being guilty of an insolvency event, they were found guilty of not disclosing the fact that Craig Whyte had been disqualified from being a company director. They were found guilty of failing to comply with the rules of the PLUS Stock Exchange by not disclosing Whyteâ??s disqualification. They were found guilty of failing to lodge annual accounts by 31 December, 2001 as required by the Companies Act 2006. They were found guilty of failing to hold an annual general meeting by 1 January, 2012 as required by the Companies Act 2012. They were found guilty of non-payment of PAYE, VAT and National Insurance contributions in excess of £13 million. They were found guilty of failing to pay money due to Dunfermline as per the rules of the Scottish Premier League. They were found guilty of non-payment of money due to Dundee United for a Scottish Cup tie as per the rules of the SFA. They were guilty of non-payment of money to the SFA in relation to the rules of competition in the Scottish Cup. When you bracket all of these breaches together you get to £160,000. Of that number, only £50,000 relates to the insolvency act. Most of the rest of it comes under the banner of bringing the game into disrepute. How many of these offences are Hearts guilty of and what is their rightful punishment? Thatâ??s what must be mulled over in the coming weeks. Did they have a director who failed to declare that heâ??d been struck off? No. Did they publish their accounts? Yes. Did they have an annual general meeting? Yes. Did they â?? or do they â?? owe monies to other clubs? As far as we are aware, no. For sure, they need to be punished for the things they are guilty of, but youâ??re not comparing apples with apples when you lump Heartsâ?? offences in with the myriad breaches perpetrated by Whyteâ??s Rangers. And letâ??s not fall for the easy cop-out that Whyte was the only one to blame for the fall of Rangers. The jJudicial panel report collared many of the directors at Ibrox and held them accountable in varying degrees for not doing enough â?? or anything at all â?? to raise the alarm with the authorities, despite being suspicious of what Whyte was up to. Importantly, the judicial panelâ??s findings were endorsed by Lord Carloway and Lord Glennie. Glennie had a major problem with the legality of the transfer embargo imposed on Rangers, which he ditched, but in no sense did he disagree with the rest of the report, nor the grave tone of it. Remember, the panel found that only match-fixing could constitute a more serious offence than the collective violations of the Whyte era. Hearts failed to comply with HMRC and that is to their shame. But the contravention is of a different order to the brazen defiance displayed by Whyte, is it not? Hearts had come to an arrangement to pay up previous arrears with the taxman â?? a state of affairs that HMRC appeared to be content with. They had fallen foul again lately with a bill of about £100,000 dropping on the doorstep at Tynecastle. Around half of that has already been paid, with huge credit due to the supporters (and credit also to the Rangers fans who worked tirelessly to try to pay off the entire football debt of their club). Weâ??ll have to wait for BDO to crunch the numbers to find out precisely how much Hearts will end up shafting HMRC for but itâ??s not going to be in the same ball-park â?? or the same country â?? as the £13m-plus that Whyteâ??s regime at Rangers stiffed them for. All of this has to be factored into the reckoning. And it is the reason why Heartsâ?? administration is being reported differently. Itâ??s not so much sympathy as an understanding of two distinct and sad stories.

I think your posts are pretty clear that you think we must wait and see for everything under the sun, as far as McCoist goes his record is an open book I don't think he will ever be a Rangers manager legend or not, let's hope I am wrong we don't have much if any time to waste.

Your optimism is beyond reproach as to our financial awareness and our managers abilities, I only hope the punt and hunt which we will be subjected to does not dampen your enthusiasm.

Quite simply spending multi millions in the lower reaches is incompetence, that will be found out soon enough when more and greater money has to be spent on a team for the premier division, our youth policy sacrificed by a cheque book manager.

One thing any business that has been in the position we have been in should not be doing is waiting and seeing, a clear and definitive fiscal policy should have been in place and adhered to. I am always reminded of the age old adage in these circumstances that it is a poor workman who blames his tools, a saying that applies to all businesses and walks of life.

3 year old story. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/7575088/Wanted-man-issues-legal-threat-to-Interpol.html

What has attendances got to do with anything, Monaco are spending more money than Fort Knox on averages of 5000 crowds, what I can tell you is that the club salary figures quoted are premier league clubs while we are/were in case you missed it 4th tier, also QOS romped the 2nd on a budget of £350,000, around half of our managers stipend not including add-ons.

Deary me, must be what Ally meant by spending money to keep him and his cohorts in a job. Motherwell - £3.5m · Inverness - £2m · Dundee Utd - £3.8m · Rangers - £7.5m

Any manager that has been pumped out of every cup competition or euro competition with the riches of the Ibrox set-up even before the shit hit is due being classed as a crap manager, still with your head stuck up your arse you won't have noticed any of that.

The only people who should be ashamed are the likes of you who puts anyone above the club legend or not, Ally is a crap manager what part of that do you fail to grasp.

McCoist should be hunted before he does any further damage, Ibrox has become an eventide home and a place for those down on their uppers, £700k and no viable signing policy or strategy , we will be hearing the usual excuses of he's a novice manager he saved Ibrox when all was lost, strangely there are those who swallow such claptrap. Great players don't always make managers even half decent managers, the list of failures is a long one.

So once identities are known what is the end product apart from showing how powerless the fans are ?

What difference would asking for a copy do, the fans are to divided to do anything about anything and the board knows it.

No one is surprised by the largesse at Ibrox anymore and more disturbingly the rewards bestowed for and upon mediocrity, the times have definitely changed in many ways and not for the better.

Your belief that hard nosed corporate investors/fund managers would fall for any old kettle of fish that CG proposed is touching.

It went on servicing the financial madness of previous regimes, who incidentally awarded the ludicrous salaries and players wages.

Quiet dignity.

The salaries are indefensible under any circumstances in the present climate.

Apart from McCoist's £700k, ID is said to be on £400k KM on £250k and the kit man on £175k, shameful and the economics of the mad house.