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Looks very much like a Liverpool vs Ajax final ... Ajax Matthijs de Ligt 5' Hakim Ziyech 35' 2 - 0 44' Agg: 3-0 Tottenham Hotspur

Where is Willie Collum/ No doubt in the RC state of purgatory.

Well you'll remember that Hibs refused to sell Scott Allen to us.

Just lifted this from RM who lifted it from an SNP only group. An agenda you say, all the way to the top ... Posted 26 minutes ago

So, you admit that the Orange Order does not cause problems in and of itself, it is more their followers who do. What happened to your acquaintances in their car was unacceptable and should be reported to the police. However, your readiness to lump the Orange Order and its followers as one and the same is distressing. The Orange Order has worked with police and councils to ensure that there is the least amount of trouble possible from the lodge memberships and band members within their permitted ranks, when the will was there and no agendas were in play. This leaves crowd control strictly under police authority. This is where disgust at sideline outrages should be directed. It is time the police did more to quell any disorder on the sidelines, although they too have a difficult, finely balanced road to hoe. It is more than just the police that is required. It is education transmitted to the general public about respecting other people's space that needs to be resolved. That will take the acceptance of more than just the Orange Order. After all, look at the difficulty Celtic and Rangers have in controlling difficult crowds even after appeals from the clubs. It can be done though. The Orange Order parade in Donegal is attended by many lodges and bands from Ulster and the largest Apprentice Boys of Derry march in Londonderry is hailed as a great success because the will on both sides was there to compromise where necessary. Both the public and parade personnel respect each others space.

To not align their faith with the Orange Order is their choice but why would you use such a disparaging phrase as ' not one would go near the OO with a barge pole'. Why, what has the Orange Order done that they would be so intolerant, or is that your opinion?

Why, are they bigots?

Solid performance. Davis & Defoe finally showing quality.

Noticed and noted but not given oxygen.

The goals from twitter ...

A nasty, cynical political play from start to finish by Aitken, Call it Out and Yousaf. With their other political failures it's hard to see how they will survive at the next election. Good riddance.

As a follow up, at St Alphonsus chapel ...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/hardline-republican-group-linked-new-14447936 Hardline Irish Republican group linked to New IRA coming to Scotland for Easter Rising rally Saoradh are heading to Glasgow after causing outrage in the wake of journalist Lyra McKee's murder in Derry. A hardline militant republican group linked to the New IRA(which is a proscribed group in the UK), who were responsible for the murder of journalist Lyra McKee, are coming to Scotland. Saoradh – Irish for “liberation” – will come to Glasgow this weekend for an event to commemorate the Easter Rising. ... And Saoradh will now join an event at Glasgow’s Lambhill cemetery this Sunday to mark the anniversary of the 1916 rebellion to overthrow British rule in Ireland and set up an Irish republic. ... ... Previously, Saoradh said: “Scotland has been a traditional area of solidarity in the struggle for Irish freedom.” ... No agenda mind you, but just who issued the permit to allow these admitted murderers to attend this?

No doubt you are a popular fellow but like most people you will have a finite group of friends and acquaintances. As such I would refute your right to purport such statements to be true and factual. You have no way of knowing if either statement is true without showing published data. Pushback is a harsh reality.

To use the words of the SNP leader of the GCC - ... "Official participants may not be involved in sectarian and anti-social incidents around parades but it’s simply not enough to absolve themselves by pointing to hangers-on." The guy who assaulted the priest committed vile acts. Can you honestly say that it is the responsibility of the Loyalist Order, whichever is on parade, has the duty of care of taking this guy out before he commits an assault or even during the assault? You're calling that a force fit argument. How about looking at the flip-side of the argument and recognize that Susan Aitken has been disingenous in using this one inflammatory incident to circumvent the fact that the Loyalist Orders themselves are not guilty of any inflammatory behaviour because they are well-stewarded by their own personnel, but she continues to push her agenda and that of her supporters such as 'Call It Out'. If Aitken will give some kind of official standing to the stewards of the Loyalist Orders to detect and deal with unsavoury and unwanted characters who have attached themselves to the general route of the walk then that would be something else, but for me all she is doing is absolving the Police from doing their duty. She knows full well that if she was to give the Loyalist Orders stewards permission to police the public on the sidewalk and just one of them made a mistake then there would be all hell to pay and she would hold the can. What is her next step, let the parade move 200 yds. up the London road and then bus the parade to Glasgow Green? Human rights be damned. Those who see the Loyalist Orders who are on parade and their supporters on the side walk as one and the same are wrong. It is an easy argument to say that the Orders should be responsible for them but it is wrong. This is not like a football club and its supporters where the club knows(for the greater majority) to whom it is selling a ticket, and hence a degree of control. Anybody can come from anywhere, yes even tourists, to attach to the walk and you want to say the Loyal Orders are responsible for them? That is a specious argument. You may not agree with the protestors, but surely they have that right to protest a perceived wrong? There are many good Presbyterian members of the Loyal Orders who are presently uncomfortable about the agenda in place at GCC.

Susan Aitken the SNP leader of GCC has printed her agenda part of which she is adament - ... "it’s simply not enough to absolve themselves by pointing to hangers-on. They need to step up and take wider responsibility for those they attract and refer to as their wider support ..." In this clip you see an individual who takes umbrage at a follower who attempts to interview parade members. The individual in question is not wearing any identification or even a hi-vis vest. In either case he is doing a job that should be exclusive to the police. I maintain that kind of confrontation in Glasgow ( or WoS ) could end up quite nasty without a police presence. Now this is exactly the point that is in dispute with the Orange Order and the GCC. Aitken's agenda is that the Orange Order must not absolve themselves from blame of the pavement followers and yet neither her nor the police will let the Orange Order do anything about these followers. The police say it is their authority to maintain peace and protection. Her agenda does not allow any compromise on crowd control so she has used it to change the route forcibly. The Orange Order see this as an attack on their rights. So, you have a group, SPAD, calling for a protest. Im sure there will be a lot more protestants there than belong to SPAD. I don't see where the thread has gone off track, just some peripherary observations to make the point.

Scene on O’Connell Street, Dublin today. New IRA and Saoradh group holding a march - group associated with murder of Lyra McKee - a day after they admitted a member of their followers murdered her the day before. Is this similar to how Susan Aitken, SNP leader of GCC, would have Orange Order personnel keep unsavoury or unwanted followers of the parade in line? Who has given this guy authority to speak to anyone walking on the sidewalk or warn off anyone on the sidewalk? It's just not possible to have parade personnel police the public without special legal authority that everyone respects. What you see on the clip could turn nasty in an instant, especially in Glasgow. This is not good politics nor good policing to remove a parade from its requested route. However, good policing is required to maintain order where clashes may be perceived.

You don't recognize the thin edge of the wedge?

Perhaps all is not yet lost ... @freyamcc FollowFollow @freyamcc More All has changed in #Creggan #Derry - last night journalist Lyra McKee was shot dead on its streets by dissident republicans, today this mural is updated:

The background of a 'no-go' area. You could substitute the Bogside, and many more communities, for the Creggan in this story. On the one hand you have the duly appointed Police Service appointed by the legally voted upon authorities and on the other a little gang who have appointed themselves protectors of the 'no-go' area. Here are the respective points of view ... PSNI ... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-47987269/journalist-murder-in-londonderry-a-horrendous-act Gang ... The language of each is telling. Police - search operation Gang - series of attacks; an incursion; campaign of oppression; attack on the community etc. Gang - the inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan - why, is it inevitable if their logic has not been warped? - the blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces - Why, did they throw petrol bombs or fire shots indiscriminately towards civilians? - we admit that a Republican Volunteer fired the shot that killed Lyra McKee, but it was an accident. The police being there caused it to happen. People who have brought into this world a new generation of hate since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, who have nurtured this generation and who have taught them that only their point of view matters are the architects of 'No-Go areas'. Could this happen in Glasgow? Under the SNP/SF/IRA auspices it could. If you are in any doubt of that try walking through the Calton with a Rangers scarf on. Or perhaps you could have another wee gang - 'Call It Out' - take up your case for you, after all they have met and discussed the situation with Humza Yousaf.

D'Artagnan Retweeted Vanguard Bears‏ @VanguardBears 4h4 hours ago More Please note the change of time for this protest on 27th April. Now at 10am. Enough is enough. 2 replies24 retweets30 likes Reply 2 Seems like a sizeable number of the 'Protestant People of Scotland' have decided to attend.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/16354369.agenda-by-susan-aitken-glasgow-intends-to-take-a-strong-stance-on-marches/ 13th July 2018 Agenda by Susan Aitken: Glasgow intends to take a strong stance on marches By Agenda by Susan Aitken, Leader, Glasgow City Council ... Modern Scotland prides itself on tolerance. What we cannot tolerate is hate crime, sectarian, racist or otherwise. ... ... Official participants may not be involved in sectarian and anti-social incidents around parades but it’s simply not enough to absolve themselves by pointing to hangers-on. They need to step up and take wider responsibility for those they attract and refer to as their wider support and networks when it suits. What happens on your watch happens on your watch. ... ... Only where the police have intelligence of significant and serious disorder do they object, allowing parades to be either prohibited or re-routed. And it’s worth stating that Orange parades are not the only marches where police action has been required in the past year. ... ... We are governed primarily by the European Convention on Human Rights. It permits freedom of assembly to all and any, including those we disagree with. And the key principle of the 2006 Scottish Parliament guidance on parades is that the role of councils is to facilitate, not to adjudicate on who can and can’t. Ideology and costs are not factors. The law is explicit in what applies to one parade, applies to all. https://www.scotsman.com/news/humza-yousaf-most-people-in-snp-want-to-get-rid-of-monarchy-1-4127741 Humza Yousaf: Most people in SNP want to get rid of monarchy A LEADING SNP politician has admitted “most people” in his party want to get rid of the Queen as head of state, despite its official policy to keep the Monarchy. Humza Yousaf suggested the SNP’s position to retain the Monarchy in an independent Scotland was simply an attempt to secure more support for breaking up the UK. Appearing on the BBC’s Question Time programme, Mr Yousaf said: “Most people in the SNP – it would hardly be a surprise to you – would at some point like to see our head of state elected. But for the purpose of independence we said we would keep the Queen as head of state.” ... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28194554 Orange Order defends right to parade 7 July 2014 ... The 12-year-old girl was said to have been watching the parade when a fight broke out among a number people nearby. This resulted in the girl being hit by what is understood to have been a bottle. She was treated at Yorkhill Hospital for a head injury, but was later released. Her relative was also hit with the item and suffered a cut to her hand. ... ... "Over the last two or three years the Orange institution has worked endlessly with Police Scotland, Glasgow City Council and other local authorities to ensure that we are reducing the number of police by training stewards. ... "We have over 3,000 stewards trained at this moment in time which allows the police perhaps to reduce their numbers and concentrate on any disorder that may arise from the followers of our parade." ... More facts Ad infinitum for those who wish to search for them. Some people want facts but are too lazy to search for them or maybe it doesn't suit their agenda to balance their argument. We know the leader of SNP on GCC has an agenda because she has written about it and has spoken about it ad nauseam. She has said she will stop the Loyalist Orders from marching where she deems it inappropriate. She bases her argument on the attack by a thug at last year's Orange Order walk. She berates the OO for not taking responsibility for their pavement supporters. I would ask her how this can be achieved. The OO are allowed to parade with marshalls to make sure that all personnel within the official parade are behaving in a dignified manner within their cultural limits. It is the job of the police to handle any trouble outside the constraints of the parade personnel. She admits that there were no OO personnel involved on the attack on the priest, why were the police not protecting the chapel as the parade passed by? Ordinary citizens are not equipped with the training or the equipment that are bestowed on the police. So, again how can OO personnel interfere with the public walking on the pavement? She is taking her agenda to extremes by blaming the OO and not the police for the attack on the priest. If she thinks it is that easy for the OO to convince people, whom they do not know, to be entirely peaceful and law-abiding then maybe she could get Celtic FC to share with the OO how they always manage to keep the brigade of green under complete control. It must be easy because the Compliance Officer has never cited Celtic for crowd trouble. Now she also states that what is good for one party is good for all. Here are the details of another parade ... Organisation West of Scotland Band Alliance (n.b. are the oldest Republican marching organisation in Scotland formed in 1979. They march to promote the establishment of a 32 County Socialist Republic of Ireland. The band alliance regularly organise events to commemorate Irish republicans who have died for those politics. Wikipedia) Date of procession Saturday April 27, 2019 Start time of outward route 12:30 Assembly point India St. Proposed route India St. ... Nelson Mandela place ... George Square ... ( n.b. The St George's Tron Church, in Glasgow, Scotland, is a Church of Scotland church in the city centre, located in Nelson Mandela Place near Queen Street Station.) ( n.b. In George Square we find the Cenotaph. The monument was unveiled in May 1924 by Earl Haig. In the background of this image are the Glasgow City Chambers, opened in 1888 by Queen Victoria. In the foreground the wreaths surrounding the cenotaph ...) Now according to the esteemed SNP leader of GCC, her agenda states that it is inappropriate for the OO to parade past an RC church. remember, what is good for one is good for the other. Why then has she allowed a Republican band to parade past a Church of Scotland church on their parade? Also, their avowed intention is to remove all Brits from the island of Ireland and yet she lets them parade past the revered Cenotaph. Do the police have any intelligence that republican sidewalk supporters have any intention of disrespecting the memorial to our soldiers or a respected CoS church? Balance in an agenda is very good but when she represents the national SNP party at local level and whose national leaders freely admit that they lied when they said they would keep the Monarch, the Defender of the Faith, as Head of State then it becomes difficult to not perceive that she is working an agenda which is detrimental to Loyalists. The Vanguard Bears may not speak for every protestant in Scotland but I'm quite sure they speak for a great deal of protestants. If only I had an agenda I could post here ...

Are you sure about that? If Rangers lose that lawsuit, if nothing else, Celtic could sue Rangers for loss of income in the CL, namely £30M. Pick a fight where the chances are at least evens for a victory.

Show this tape to our midfield and forwards and it may inspire and motivate them to have a go.