D'Artagnan
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I appreciate what you are saying bossy. But is the Dave King who perhaps will one day run our club going to do so with a mentality and attitude similar to the one he displayed with SARS ?
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I think that about sums it up for me RPB - so long as the glib & shameless coat is hung on a peg outside Ibrox.
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The question is though Night Owl - what do we really know of King ? Yes he previously invested £20 million so he clearly has considerable affection for the club and a willingness to invest but what else ?
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Sorted thanks Zap.
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We perhaps dont need to include morality Andy in our considerations, however that has not stopped the warring factions from doing so. I just find it strange that some who wish to highlight the moral failings of opponents, are happy to ignore the moral failings of others. Perhaps having wads of cash is key to such exclusion.
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I suppose this is blogger’s equivalent of the Samurai tradition of Seppuku – their unique suicide rite. At journalism college one of my course tutor’s used to invariably preach about the successful narrator knowing, and writing to the very heart and soul of their audience. This article will do quite the opposite and some may find the content uncomfortable, however I feel it asks a question which needs to be asked. The boardroom battle for control of our club has seen a thorough examination of the character and integrity (or alleged lack thereof) of the various candidates vying for control. It would be fair to say the Rangers support is well versed in the personal character strengths and weaknesses of the Murrays, the Easdales etc. The apparent weaknesses of the “other sides” candidates have been given maximum exposure during the ensuing debate, with the morality factor at times appearing as important as the size of the wallet they, or their backers, bring to our club. All is fair in love and war. Waiting in the wings is a man many Rangers fans would view as our club’s “Messiah” – Dave King. Almost as important as his money appears to be his ability to unite the fragmented factions within our support for he appears to have the unanimous backing of all. Perhaps the eventual winner in our boardroom battle will determined by which side, if any, Dave King decides to ally with. Such unanimous support for King has spared him the moral examination so many others have been subjected to in our boardroom struggle. With the exception of course of the Scottish Press. Let me make one thing clear – the Scottish Press have long surrendered the right to exercise moral judgement with regard to our club. They surrendered such a right long ago with their silence over 5 way agreements, their silence over unlawful transfer embargo’s imposed on our club and their desire to join with the haters in labelling us “cheats”and thus trampling over our right to a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. This discussion is by invitation only, and those out with the Rangers support are not invited, cordially or otherwise. But it is nonetheless, a discussion which has to be had. Judge Southwoods assessment of Dave King in his tax battle with the South African authorities was damning. I’m sure most of you have read it, but to spare you the false morality of the Scottish press it can be found here : http://www.moneywebtax.co.za/moneywebtax/view/moneywebtax/en/page259?oid=56208&sn=Detail Are we satisfied as a support that the coat bearing glib and shameless will be discarded should Dave King return to Ibrox in any capacity ? Will an alleged disrespect for the truth be at odds with a support demanding transparency and clarity with regard to the governance of our club ? Or are the characteristics described by Judge Southwood exactly what are needed at our club in a battle where our enemies are not playing by the rules ? These are difficult questions but we will need to wrestle with them at some point. Failure to do so is just not an option.
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I think that is the point though AMMS - rather than print the truth of why they didnt hold the silence. they have fabricated a story suggesting it was an oversight due to staff changes - rather than admit its due to the moronic behaviour of a minority. I think that makes it a double whammy - not only are they acquiescing to unruly behaviour but in addition they are fabricating statements to excuse it.
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Yet Ross County claimed they did.
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Malcolm Murray: we need to end the plague of locusts at Ibrox
D'Artagnan replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
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That Andy is exactly the point Im making. The uber type morons are being pandered to - due to fear of disruption we are acquiescing from the norm.
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It is interesting the responses to this post on different forums. On RM there are a small minority who agree with abandoning the ceremony if it is likely to be disrupted - I really cant understand that line of reasoning - it seems like completely acquiescing to the rule of mob. Not that is ever likely to happen due to fixture arranging - but imagine if there was an OF game at Ibrox on the weekend of Remembrance - by the aforementioned line of reasoning we should forego the ceremony.
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I think that is a convienent excuse for those who propagate it Andy. Actually on second thoughts perhaps smokescreen is a better term.
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Thats my take as well Zap - the Police match commander would have discussed this with club security pre-match.
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Ridiculous and insulting statement GS - just seen it now
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Scotland's claim to be fighting the cancer of sectarianism and hatred took a severe dent at the weekend. Perhaps sadly, the decision not to hold a one minute silence prior to the Ross County vs Celtic match, came as no surprise to many of us. Its embarrassing, unedifying and sickening to hear a one minute silence being disrupted and dishonoured. But there is something worse, far worse in fact - not holding such a ceremony at all. Because in failing to do so we have acquiesced to the morons, the bigots - we have handed them victory on a plate. Let the moronic and shameful actions of bigots within the Celtic support shame all the devils in hell - rather that than our country is forced to fail to remember the fallen whose sacrifice ensured our freedom from evil and tyranny. This morning I wrote to Ross County asking for an explanation into such an omission on Saturday and in particular who made the decision to dispense with the one minute silence - was it from someone in the club or from outside the club? The Ross County support have previously made their club aware of the importance of Remembrance Day and its significance within their support. http://www.north-sta...oldiers-667.htm Furthermore this is an issue which must ascend Old Firm rivalry and the often tit for tat churlish and pedantic tribalism. It is time for the Scottish press and media to stop avoiding the issue and to speak out - ignoring it will not make it go away. It is untenable and unacceptable that men who laid down their lives in order to defeat that which is unacceptable cannot themselves be remembered and honoured due to the actions and behaviour of some in our society which is in itself – wholly unacceptable.
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It is that most poignant time of the year – Remembrance Day. A time to remember, a time to reflect. But for the people of Ulster, today is particularly poignant, it is hurtful and will bring much reflection and sadness. 26 years ago to the day, a bomb exploded without warning at a Remembrance Day memorial in Enniskillen leaving 11 dead and 63 injured. The cowardly, savage and barbaric nature of this attack saw those responsible – Irish Republican Terrorists – roundly condemned by all sides of the community. It was an act of inhumanity designed to terrorise the PUL community in Northern Ireland, to prevent them honouring the memory of their fallen; it was the very essence of terror in that it was designed to disrupt and discourage people from their normal activity through fear and intimidation. That it failed spectacularly to do so is down to the courage, bravery and determination of the ordinary people of Ulster. The postmen who continued to deliver letters, the policemen who continued to uphold the law, the judges who continued to dispense it, the firemen who fought the fires, every single Ulster man woman and child who quietly and with stoic determination continued with their normal lives and normal activities. Who refused to deviate from the norm, who refused to give in to the bullet or the bomb, who refused to surrender the norm. But it is not just a story, it is a lesson. In a week which saw our club's name dragged through the courts and the press for misinterpreted salutes it serves as a reminder of our responsibility to not only our club but also the PUL community in Ulster. Instead of showy, chest beating, but otherwise empty and moronic gestures (which our enemies will make use of to the full) if you really want to help and show your support for the PUL community in Ulster why not take a leaf out of the Vanguard Bears book, and quietly and without fanfare actually undertake some kind of activity which will benefit their community ? I’m sure the £560 raised by them for the Twaddell and Woodvale Residents Association was of far greater benefit than the negative imagery and commentaries associated with “Red Hand Salutes” If any of you are in any doubt – ask yourself why a newspaper recently published a 3 year old picture of such behaviour. It damages our club and the very people for whom you are trying to show your support. Today in Enniskillen a father will reflect on the daughter he will never walk down the aisle. A son on the missing father at school parent's evening. A whole community will join together in sorrow. But they will not be beaten. They will remember and they will honour. And others will watch and remember them as the very essence and embodiment of No Surrender.
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Nice touch that taking the role only in an acting capacity until approved.
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Dont hold your breath.
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Does this increase then bossy the importance of fanzines etc ?
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Bigcid I have heard various thoughts mused re the petition - one guy on Twitter said he thought that was also subject of a Police investigation (Ist Ive heard). But the whole petition thing merely underlines our failings as a collective support at times. For instance - does anyone actually know the petition creator or whether they have admin rights to the petition ?
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Its perhaps strange that a musical track from a Brooklyn based band (who are probably unknown to quite a few of you) provides the title to this article, but, with a little re-arranging it provides the perfect insight to what we, the Rangers support, will face in the coming months ahead –Yesterday my enemy, today my brother. For make no mistake, the upheaval at boardroom level within our club will eventually come to an end and someone or some group will emerge victorious. I am under no illusion that the cessation of hostilities will bring us together as one harmonious group of supporters, however much I desire it, but the stark reality is that when the boardroom battleship guns all fall silent we will be, without exclusion, the same group of supporters whose club was treated, shamefully, unjustly and unfairly by our footballing authorities, our government agencies and our media. The enemies of our club have not gone away, nor have they stopped plotting or scheming to inflict maximum damage on our club at every opportunity. Last night I witnessed 2 Bears for whom I have the utmost respect, having a difference of opinion on Twitter regarding the current situation at our club. It was done without personal insults, unedifying comments or character assassination - it was confined to the main debating points and the pros and cons of either side. Perhaps there is something to be said for restricting debate to 140 characters per salvo. Unfortunately not all discussions and debates have gone this way but we as a support cannot afford the luxury or petulance of an acrimonious aftermath - we will have a club and support to defend. The boardroom battle and its ripple effect on our support has not been pretty, in fact it has been downright ugly and tedious. But it has also been encouraging in that it has exposed the raw passion we all feel for our club, the determination to see things through and also an up swell in militancy within our support. For a support whose actions and loyalty saved this club from extinction, yet are still totally disempowered and disenfranchised from the decision making processes regarding her future, militant action should never be discounted. Some of you reading this will no doubt say that boycotts and protests are not “The Rangers Way”. All I would ask you is what other options do a disempowered support have – dignified silence? But acknowledging we face a common enemy is not enough – we have to start working together. If we can’t agree unity then lets at least endeavour to have a unity of purpose. Our strength comes from the power we can generate operating as a united body – it’s why they fear us so much. Networking, communication and co-operation need to be given a far higher priority. In just over 2 weeks time the deadline passes for the online e-petition re HMRC and confidential leaks. The figure stands at 41,230 – not even half the required signatures. Need I say more?
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As I said in my reply to Zap bluebear its been most unedifying at times. Its easy to despair and miss the positives. But they are there. At times its been ugly, and even irresponsible but a new power has been unleashed. Via social media, forums and militant action our support has been awakened to a new found power. We have only seen that power manifest itself in fragmented form - can you imagine the power this will wield when there is unity ? It may well be in its infancy but that new found power is not going to go away - and that power is in the hands, not of faceless or egotistical businessmen, but the people you would trust most with our club - the fans.
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Zap Firstly I hope you dont think Im being critical of you - your decision to review CF was probably the right one - I tend to be a stubborn old goat with regard to certain things. Im just very wary after the RTC blog - a lot of the stuff in there was genuine material but the selective nature of that which was revealed and the manipulation and misinterpretation of it led many people to believe it to be fact. But perhaps more than anything Im put off due to the motivation of those releasing such material. I think there has been a lot of things which have been negative about this campaign but also a lot of positives which I will speak about in my response to bluebear. While many people have sat in camps and supported particular individuals - the only thing I have wanted to see win was the truth. This may sound ridiculous to you and many others, but I dont necessarily see Dave King as a good thing for our club. This is nothing against King personally, but more about the leadership model for our club - once again we are looking to the "sugar daddy" model, to come in with money to address our inability to balance the books. We are putting our trust in individuals to run our club properly when instead I feel as a support we should be making sure systems and processes are introduced to ensure our support can undertake the necessary checks. (Im talking about fan empowerment and representation here rather than fan ownership) Furthermore I have no problem with militant action to ensure that happens. At some point in the future even Dave King would move on - either due to age/business commitments etc and the merry go round would start once again. But going back to getting the truth - I dont think any of the factions can claim innocence with regard to spin. Some websites/individuals have been willing to promote guys like Leggo ( who only a few months ago they were discrediting) just because he happens now to be agreeing with what they are saying or arguing for. Perhaps however the most ridiculous example was Irvine citing Muirhead and McConnville to support arguments. As I said earlier for me its all about motivation - neither of these two disingenuous individuals would ever write anything unless there was some angle for damaging our club or support. I have spoken regularly to one of the most vocal proponents for changing the board - who agreed it was very difficult for the fans to make informed choices as a lot of information was not out there so to speak. I got the impression he was disappointed that some of those involved on the requestioners side had not gone public with some of it. It will probably come as no surprise to you that I have been sent material which someone obviously hoped I would use in my blogs - needless to say I declined. Its been messy, at times very unedifying and I still think through all of this the fans have been sold short. That really pisses me off.
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Anti-sectarian football laws fear as fans complain
D'Artagnan replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
Im becoming increasingly concerned at our similar thought processes these days. Great minds think alike or fools seldom differ ?