D'Artagnan
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Its not a red herring FS - the SFO have no jurisdiction in Scotland. If the locus of any fraud is England then they will have jurisdiction to investigate but it most certainly will not be on behalf of the PF as that is an aspect of Scottish Law which is peculiar to Scotland. England have the CPS.
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Because its not a "notion" its a fact. http://www.sfo.gov.uk/about-us/who-we-are.aspx
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Its just seems strange to me that an employee of our club, complains about our FD, both of whom I would imagine conduct the vast majority of their work in Scotland.
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Im referring to McGovern Rab not Sheridan
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Jungle Bhoy Jim just cant help himself.... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/westminster-mps-table-motion-condemning-2867719
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Can I ask FS why that complaint was made to an organisation which have no jurisdiction in Scotland ?
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Plg Not getting at you but that highlights the considerable failing of the requisitioners throughout the campaign. Allegation but with no evidence whatsoever to substantiate it. The problem is when people keep resorting to that it looks little more than attempts to smear.
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So is that it ? A little bit of inference to cover up a lack of substance to these allegations ? is that the same Leggo who not only threatened but released personal details of bears via his blog ? Because the guy had the temerity to run a fanzine cover poking fun at Paul Murray ? Sorry but I'll pass on both sympathy and credibility.
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The above should be compulsory reading for every Bear.
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Well considering his last blog went on about Charles Green's £25 million war chest (actually it was Whyte) and the previous one had VB allegedly influencing Laxey (although they have never spoken with them) then I wouldn't give this latest one too much credibility.
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And of course the SFA themselves. But only after UEFA had taken the lead, so to speak, several days and one display later.
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Where do you start with a charlatan like Spiers ? I wonder if the liberal conscience of Spiers, which saw the rights & wrongsof the IRA, has arguments with anti-sectarian crusader Spiers or the Spiers who gave testimony to the Scottish government when they were re-thinking Offensive Behaviour at Football Matches legislation ? I find it hard to think of anyone I detest more than him. George Galloway comes very close, but at least he is consistent if nothing else.
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Some of you may remember Jim McGovern from my previous articles. He and I exchanged a number of, less than courteous letters a few months ago. This was as a result of his support for George Galloway's Early Day Motion 913, with McGovern being the only Scottish based MP to pledge his support to the motion. http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/913 During the aforementioned exchange I asked Mr McGovern to provide any evidence that Rangers had “side stepped” their tax liability, as such an allegation ran contrary to what we as shareholders had been informed in writing. Needless to say Mr McGovern failed to provide any evidence whatsoever which would would justify the allegations set out in EDM 913, or warrant support for them. Perhaps we should not be surprised by Mr McGovern's support of this motion which are a slur on our club, he has a tendency to make allegations without reasonable foundation. http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/3614-scottish-labour-mp-refuses-to-apologise-for-offensive-racism-slurs.html Its interesting that Joe Fitzpatrick MSP uses the word “hypocritical” to describe Mr McGovern. Depriving the British public of tax revenue is not something Mr McGovern can himself claim a clean sheet on. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/392012/MP-Jim-McGovern-s-24-rail-fare-row-costs-taxpayers-27k But Jim has raised his head above the parapet once again, much to the chagrin of a number of his constituents, and suggested the Foreign Office investigate claims by Celtic supporters regarding events in Amsterdam. http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/dundee-mp-calls-for-probe-into-champions-league-trouble-in-amsterdam-1.158942?regType=site®_success=true This has left a number of his constituents in his parliamentary constituency of Dundee West somewhat bemused. And understandably so. Many of them remember a December weekend last year which saw some of the worst football disturbances in Scottish football in recent times and which were described by Dundee FC Operations Manager Jim Thomson as follows :- The people of Dundee are still waiting for a statement from Mr McGovern condemning such behaviour. But it's refreshing to see Mr McGovern embark on a journey demanding, clarity, accountability and transparency. Perhaps in a similar vein he could provide such clarity with regard to his annual staffing expenses which amount to a staggering £ 115,581.17 for a back bench MP. To put this into some kind of perspective his own party leader, Ed Miliband, and of course leader of the opposition has annual staffing costs of £ 93,747.42
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Sorry GS..Im just trying to get a handle on this... are you on about the SFO investigation which the club have denied on the official site ?
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Okay you will need to bare with me bud as you know financials are not my "thing". But was the sum raised and including ST sales (which were we were told all in the same pot) not considerably higher ? On what has all that other money been written off ?
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How much did they say that accounted for ?
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Can you detail where they have gone GS ? ie how have they been written off in the published accounts ?
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Andy you should make a point of ensuring you do - although I cant guarantee that you wont be angry at some of it. A Perfect Storm - the chapter by John Gow is a must read.
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I dont agree with that Andy - sorry. I find myself reading and re-reading John DC Gow's chapter A perfect Storm and agreeing with its jist almost in entirety. I do agree, however much of our problems were self inflicted and your examples of SDM/Whyte/Green are absolutely spot on. However to go back to what RPB said - they want us emasculated. And they want that not because of anything which happened relative to admin - but because our press and media have painted us as the cause of sectarianism - we are the bad guys and its actually good and wholesome to hate Rangers.
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Amms I think thats an excellent piece. However (and you probably sensed this was coming)... If we were to do that we would look upon ourselves with considerable disdain and malevolence. When you read "Follow we will" and the narration onconduct of the SFA/SPL you can draw one of 2 conclusions :- either they were grossly incompetent or they exercised considerable negative bias towards our club. Notwithstanding which option you choose neither is acceptable and something has to give. Rather than such a desire to see enforced change being based on revenge - it far more basic than that - its about our survival. With the same individuals in place who is to say we will not be at their mercy again some time in the future ?
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Andy I think something we discussed the other day may be a factor - money. There are clearly a few Bears adamant they will never return to an SPL (you know what I mean) ground so long as the status quo remains. I have no idea how widespread such an attitude is, though I share it myself, given the amount of revenue Dundee United lost over the Scottish Cup tie this may be a determining factor.
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Its perhaps ironic that I offer this piece of writing on the weekend of another show of support for terrorist murderers from the green brigade section of the Celtic support. I’m reliably informed however that their Saturday banner was not a public outing of themselves as closet Corries fans but was rather a show of support for Irish terrorism. I should not make light of such conduct of course, as it confirms the existence of a group of people who are still stuck in the past in a conflict which has itself left them far behind. Even Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness have come to realise that the stoic British people of Northern Ireland will not be defeated by the bullet or the bomb and have abandoned terrorism. (Please no sniggering at the back of the class) I’m now going to astound you – Jack McConnell was absolutely right when he described sectarianism in Scotland as our “Secret Shame”. His comments following an Old Firm game were to prove the catalyst to an extraordinary McCarthyesque political campaign to uncover and expose the bigots under the bed. And with men such as journalist Graham Spiers spearheading such such a crusade what could go wrong ? Well pesky academics such as Dr Stuart Waiton and Prof Steve Bruce for starters. The latter having carried out the most in depth academic research into sectarianism in Scotland and written various discourses and books on the subject arriving at the following conclusion: http://truthonsectarianism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/archive-professor-steve-bruce-article.html Dr Waiton’s study is more widespread and in his book “Snobs Law” he argues that football supporters in general are treated as some kind of underclass by the the authorities and politicians. He is particularly condemnatory of those who have led Scotland down a mythical path to a Brigadoon where sectarianism is rife. http://www.thinkscotland.org/thinkpolitics/articles.html?read_full=11857&article=www.thinkscotland.org We owe Dr Waiton another debt of gratitude however. For not only exposing the empty rhetoric of Graham Spiers, but perhaps more importantly, the insidious and sleekit nature of Spiers when his rapidly diminishing credibility or vastly inflated ego is challenged. Graham Spiers Twitter 22.02.2013 Given the propensity many of us have for disagreeing with Spiers – we too must be “faintly bonkers”. Oh the audacity. But exiting from the world of academia its perhaps worthy examining what the real world says about Scotland’s Secret Shame. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22904552 Race Crimes 4,012 Religiously aggravated 687. Does that make racism Scotland’s Very Very Very Secret Shame ? Are we to see a new dedicated Policing Unit to deal with this apparent epidemic of racism ? Is our funding of anti-racism initiatives nearly six times that of our anti-sectarian ones ? Furthermore of the 40% males in Glasgow convicted of such religiously aggravated crimes who would be willing to bet a large percentage of those crimes occurred in or around the vicinity of Ibrox or Parkhead ? Dont look for a big windfall – the betting is odds on. But perhaps the second most interesting comment in that report is this : “Police officers were the most common target of religiously aggravated abuse” Did I miss something – are our bobbies now plodding the beat sporting large crucifixes or “Proud to be a Prod” badges? Or were these by and large victimless crimes with the religiously aggravated behaviour targeted at no-one in particular ? For those amongst us who like a flutter – Im afraid thats another odds on. I said second most interesting because the article itself reveals the McCarthyesque route we have gone down with regard to sectarianism. In an article which demonstrates crimes against our ethnic minorities is nearly 6 times worse than our religiously aggravated ones, where are the interviews with our ethnic minority representatives or their associated charities ? Why is no-one suggesting a mandatory rehabilitation programme for those convicted of race crimes ? It is after all by far the most common type of hate crime in this country. Sectarianism is Scotland’s Secret Shame – but not for the reasons Jack McConnell alluded to. It is our secret shame because we have condemned ourself as a country publicly for a problem which does not exist, we have allowed ourselves to be brow beaten by insidious idiots like Graham Spiers and diverted money and resources to this mythical problem to the exclusion of a far greater problem within our society. Perhaps the final word should be left to Prof. Steve Bruce.
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Its quite simple SC - Its not about truth or fact - its about agenda and which particular camp you are situated. Unfortunately for some who are programmed to provide a response - those sitting on the fence present a difficult challenge. As evidenced by the latter part of this thread.
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Its not a "throwaway remark" when it is entirely factual. And its ironic you mention "points scoring" given the circumstances of the original comment. Or does the right to change ones mind only apply to certain groups ?