D'Artagnan
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There are more important issues bossy - but I dont think it would have harmed either side's campaign to lay out out pledge with even brief details - on how they planned to tackle the problem in the future.
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But thats what Im alluding to int he original point I made FS. If you take both Whyte and Green they have increased their popularity within the support by attacking our media enemies - albeit it was not for altruistic reasons. To this day some still champion Green for his stance and no amount of reasoning will change that. What Im meaning it is clearly an emotive issue for the Rangers support - and one which if addressed genuinely would be a cert to win hearts and minds.
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Now Now FS - nice try - all will be revealed in due course. However I suppose I should not be surprised by the current board's silence on this matter - given his length of stay at our club and his failing in this regard - the mere raising of the subject itself would be an admission of failure by a certain PR guru.
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Can I ask is anyone else disappointed that neither side has considered the defence of the club from unfair press coverage and double standards to be an issue worth promoting in their future plans for the club ?
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Apologies then RS if thats not been made clear enough - and there are enough querying it to suggest it wasnt.
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Who would you like me to criticise CB ? I have written blogs critical of Stockbridge, Green and Jack irvine - Green in particular when he was still being "championed" by many. I spoke out against him (Green) on Rangerschat I expressed my support for TRS when they, for want of a better word, "outed" Ahmed - and to this day I would still, vigorously, both support and defend their action as I felt it was not only brave but of considerable benefit to our club. Up till this very blog I have never written a negative blog on Paul Murray - however I think his conduct, particularly with regard to SOS, was foolhardy and left them in an extremely compromising position. And we write all this on a day when yet another Leggat blog contains considerable lies regarding VB.
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Do you think the members who provided 4% of votes for the re-election of Brian Stockbridge are agreeing with the vast majority of RST members and RST admin ?
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Sounds like you are describing David Leggat to a tee.
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I would very much hope, and expect, they release a minute of that prior to the AGM CB
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SB I think describing it as "getting carried away" is being particularly kind to him.
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http://www.therst.co.uk/poll/agm-voting/ Im talking about individual members expressing a view which ran contrary to admin's position
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Forgottten already ? The one you "couldn't be bothered" verifying from my previous articles, the allegations you had made.
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Still awaiting you substantiating the attack you made a few weeks back . How's that coming along ? That's the one you claimed I was trying to be all things to all people and manipulate myself into a position. But now apparently, I'm playing to the gallery on a particular forum, Are you having trouble making up your mind ?
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The voting I saw by some members PLG ran contrary to what RST admin seemed to be advocating. Thats all - nothing sinsiter, not a dig.
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David Leggat's
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SB there have been considerable falsehoods and erroneous statements in a certain blog- none of which are helpful for those trying to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of information.
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For those unfamiliar with Harper Lee’s classic “To Kill a Mockingbird”, Boo Radley is a mysterious and reclusive figure introduced early in the book by the author. Her fear of Boo often stems from the author’s overactive imagination and is compounded by a fear of the unknown. It is only at the end of the book the true nature and character of Boo Radley is revealed. As some of you know I have access to the Vanguard Bears forums, I’m not a member but am allowed full and unrestricted access to their online discussions. As a certain Fanzine editor described in his Christmas Fanzine this type of membership could be described as Vanguard Bears (Soft Toys Section) – [Copyright No.1 Fanzine] But more on this later. Form the reading of WATP magazine more of you will be aware of my recent article which insists on the Rangers support having access to information which allows us to ensure correct governance at our club. I think it is untenable that in this day and age, after all we as a support have been through and given back to this club – that we are totally disenfranchised and disempowered from the processes and systems which allow us to be vigilant regarding our club, or for that matter to make informed choices. In the very same article I praised the rise of militancy within our support – far more digestible than dignified silence. I also added that such militancy came with certain caveats. I was deeply encouraged by reports in the Evening Times that the Sons Of Struth had narrowed the target of their protest to Brian Stockbridge and Jack Irvine. My belief and hope was this would be a cause of unity amongst our support as I was of the opinion it reflected what many of us felt. I was so encouraged in fact; I wrote an article about it, having confirmed this was the case with SOS via Twitter. http://immortalrange…acquires-focus/ This did not go down particularly well with everyone, but as I said to someone privately who wrote to me following its publication – I don’t write to be popular. Part of the criticism of this article argued that this was not the correct position of the SOS. This caused me to seek further clarification from SOS that this in fact was their position, and this was duly forthcoming. http://i41.tinypic.com/zo8cjt.jpg It came as a surprise to me therefore that on Saturday en route to the ground I was stopped by a young lady who offered me a red card explaining it to be a protest against the board. On receipt of same and perusal of its contents I was dismayed. Its contents were clearly at odds with the assurances I had been given from SOS via Twitter. It’s a pity that much of the discussion about Saturday’s card display has de-generated, particularly by the anti-requisitoners factions, into ridiculous computer generated percentages or suggestions that some were fooled into thinking it was an anti-racism display. The message on the card was clear and unequivocal. The problem from my perspective however was that it was contrary to what SOS had informed me, or claimed in the Evening Times. I know some Bears, some of whom will be known to many of you, who participated in the display whilst not agreeing with the card’s content in their entirety. I sought clarification via Twitter with SOS, and even provided them with a screenshot of our conversation for clarification – to date no explanation has been offered as you can see by my Twitter timeline. Some may not think this is important but for a campaign demanding clarity and transparency is it really too much to ask that the SOS would lead by example ? I doubt there will have been many Bears, irrespective of which side of the fence (or even on it) you sit, who has not been impressed by Jim McColl throughout this process. He has spoken and conducted himself in exemplary fashion, when he has made attacks he has always sought to substantiate or justify his reasoning. For many, I suspect his endorsement of Graham Wallace was a watershed moment in this campaign, as well as admitting that Colin Kingsnorth was no-body’s fool. Are we as a support going to go against the judgement of those who sought change, and if so where do we eventually draw the line ? Furthermore in terms of judging business acumen what are the qualifications of those who are suggesting we do not draw a line in the sand ? Which brings me back to the Vanguard Bears. I’m not here to defend them, as they are more than capable of doing that for themselves. Given my propensity for speaking out, via my blog and also on their forums, I’ve little doubt I have pissed some of them off along the way, we don’t agree on everything, but that’s life – it’s all about opinions. But I will not allow them to misrepresented as has happened in recent weeks. Their position on the current boardroom battle remains as per their statement – they remain neutral. I fully accept that some of their members have expressed different views as those held by admin on behalf of their organisation, but is that any different from any other organisation ? Given some of the voting patterns in yesterdays RST poll – apparently not. It’s perhaps significant that some of those responsible for the aforesaid misrepresentation of Vanguard Bears are named on material which has come into their possession. One is left to question not only the wisdom but also the propriety of Paul Murray writing directly to a group, let alone issuing instructions, knowing such a group are involved in protesting and campaigning for the removal of the current board, a campaign which if successful would likely be of considerable benefit to him in his own aspirations. Perhaps in the course of time, and without reading To Kill a Mocking Bird, some of you will learn for yourselves that sometimes the Boo Radleys of this world are not necessarily the bad guys.
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I agree with that in principle Hildy and even blogged as much lately. But principles are a luxury that Im willing to forego if its saves our supported being fragmented beyond repair.
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Well I didnt see either faction's supporters suggesting otherwise Frankie
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But thats the thing Zap its not a bit of bickering or infighting its much worse than that. Its not the money King brings which is his major asset - but his ability to unite our support
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I have long stated I dont believe sole ownership to be in our best interests based on our experiences of SDM & Whyte - but the point of that is that despite my reservations of such a model I would prefer it for the unity Dave King can bring to the club amongst the support which I think is of far greater importance.
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Dear Mr King, This is a particularly difficult letter to write, despite it being penned from one Bear to another. It is difficult because I don’t necessarily believe the model of ownership you would bring to our club – a sole owner – has been particularly successful for Rangers, and if I’m honest I would much rather see the transparency and clarity which I would hope could be afforded by some measure of fan representation on our board. In short, in writing such a letter I am foregoing many of the dreams and aspirations I hoped would be achieved in my lifetime for our club. I mention the foregoing for one reason – to highlight how desperate and concerned I am and the circumstances which gave rise to this letter. Our support is literally ripping itself asunder in the current boardroom battle, the very heart and soul of this club are trading blows with each other and causing rifts, some of which I fear may prove irreparable. For a club such as ours, which attracts so much hatred from others, and whose strength and very survival has often relied upon our unity as a support, this presents a bleak and ominous outlook. Further more I am not convinced that either side emerging victorious from the AGM on the 19th December, will result in a cessation of hostilities, merely a lull in the fighting, which will be renewed, perhaps with greater vigour and further damage to our already fragmented support in the future. But I do not write to you as Dave King the financial saviour of our club. I write to you as the only man on this planet who can bring the much needed unity to our support, whose commitment to this club is without question, and who can capture, inspire and unite our support behind our club. As one. The English writer William Hazlitt once wrote : “No man is truly great who is great only in his lifetime. The test of greatness is the page of history.” I, and thousands like me, would implore you now to write your page in the history of our club. Yours in Rangers D’Artagnan
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SOS-In reply to Wllhelm, who I believe is a co founder of VB
D'Artagnan replied to Steve1872's topic in Rangers Chat
I can confirm that is the case on RM FS -
Wonder if all those Killie fans who threatened their chairman with boycotts if he voted us into the SPL will come down from their moral high ground....
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I broke with personal tradition yesterday – more due to advancing years than a change of belief. The benefits of the local supporters bus over my own transport had been well argued with an old colleague I bumped into at Gayfield the week before. If I’m honest my increasing propensity for falling asleep at will had made the solitary drive north post match something of a health and safety issue. Having made the necessary arrangements with the Monifieth Loyal bus, come Saturday morning I made my way early to the designated pick up point. Much too early in fact. For those who don’t know Dundee the Kingsway is the main arterial route through the city for those heading north or south. My early attendance at my rendezvous point on a freezing cold day would have normally made for a long cold stand. But not this day. I was literally glowing inside and it was nothing to do with having my daily dose of Ready Break. For bus after bus after bus, packed full of fellow bears, passed as I awaited my transport. All over our country ladies and gents had risen early from their beds, left families and loved ones at home not out of defiance but out of love for and devotion to a football club. It reinforced the understanding within me that no matter the injustice, malevolence, disdain and hatred towards our club – we will never ever be beaten or downtrodden. Its not a single minded determination but a collective one. Its not “I am the person" – Its “We are the people”. But for someone who spends too much time on the net and various Rangers forums trying to apprise himself of the issues of concern to the Rangers support, the issues of the real world Rangers fans provided a refreshing respite from the sometimes near madness of Rangers forums. Whilst internet issues reflect real life issues they do not dominate them in the same way. There is something mystical as well about talking to the more senior members of the bus who can recount stories of Caldow, Baxter, Brand etc. And then of course there is the “crack”. From memory quizzes about Crossroads characters to the merits of Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs - which led to some serious role play. The sight of two guys fuelled by a few shandies dancing the re-enactment of Travolta’s and Thurman’s Pulp Fiction dance in the corridor of a coach doing over 60 mph was one of those “had to be there” moments. “The back of the bus they canny sing”. Perhaps not but by gum they can’t half dance. You know who you are. So a big thank you to the men and women of the Monifieth Loyal and hundreds of other buses like them from all over Scotland and the UK who, week in week out, not for fame or glory but love of a football club, add to the collective assertion. :- We are the People.