RANGERRAB

Did St Mirren have a shot on goal today?

I wonder if wee Brendan will be trying to work his ticket soon at Leicester

Merry Christmas to all Gersnetters.

57 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

Interest and penalties would account for a bit of it.

If applicable. I suspect BDO think otherwise

42 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

... hence my question whether this was not established in court before? Didn`t the last court case rule that tax was due to be paid on the EBTs et al and hence I assumed that the claim was correct. Then again, BDO disputes the sum, which might be a different thing.

I presume it’s the actual sum BDO are disputing.

this whole thing is turning into a farce. I always remember back in 2012 the headline figure of debt owed was £134m of which £94m was owed to HMRC. BDO have already knocked £30m off that £94m leaving it now at £64m of which they’re now disputing £51m. The total value of the EBTs was around £48m so at what rate did they think they’re taxed at? >100%? 

Going back to the £134m figure, if £94m was ‘owed’ to HMRC then that leaves £40m owed elsewhere. £27m of that was owed to ticketus but D&P got the deal declared illegal and terminated it in court meaning they got nothing. That leaves £13m of which £7.7m was owed to debenture holders and just under £3m football debts which got repaid by Green. The rest was small debts 

The reasons for administration and then liquidation are diminishing day by day. Then there was the rejection by HMRC of Murray’s offer to settle the EBT’s.

That was refused. Doesn’t look to me HMRC got a good deal for the taxpayers in all of this

so was there a political  influence in all of this? the names are still out there

22 hours ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Would love to know how much public money has been spent in total from the HMRC side pursuing this. HMRC staffing costs, multiple legal fees, court time, and then the cherry on top of the cake we went through an administrative process protecting assets which results in HMRC being able to claim very little back. I am at risk of repeating myself but the public deserve an investigation into this and the individuals responsible should be held to account.

I’d like to know who it was who decided to pursue this from HMRC. And whether there was political influence. And what implications are for winning in the Supreme Court in terms of chasing other EBT schemes.

Whyte was spot on when he said HMRC would appeal and appeal until they got it into the civil courts where they knew they stood a better chance of winning and they did. Whether HMRC expected to win is another matter

But this weeks news that BDO are contesting £51m of the £64m so-called oldco debt is very interesting indeed 

1 hour ago, compo said:

wonder if he has something to hide 💰

Lots I’d suggest.

Not being investigated by polis Alba this time unfortunately for him.

Both the FCA and the city of London police are in a different league 

How much does it cost the SPFL for cancelled games? how much do they need to repay SKY for each game? anyone know?

Are we forgetting we’ve got half a dozen players out injured at the moment?

Cancelling games just now might help us.

Arsenal got allowed to settle their EBT’s Rangers weren’t allowed. 

2 hours ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

If this is proven to be true, then HMRC could have likely negotiated a deal with the OldCo for a lesser sum of monies and we would have been fine in the long-term. There is so much about this case that looks like manufactured grievance from the HMRC side. They claimed they wanted to set a precedent but I don't recall them following up our case with a grand return of revenue from other clubs/companies in similar cases.

 

Basically HMRC have cheated the tax payer out of revenue to pursue personal vendetta. We now need to know the who of HMRC drove this case and why. Public workers should be accountable to the public for mismanagement of public bodies and funds.

I believe HMRC were manipulated by SLAB politicians and maybe one or two others to pursue this.

The timing of the initial claim was always critical i.e. just before the 2010 G.E. which Labour were expected to lose and did.

Just now, RANGERRAB said:

Couple of talking points today I thought:

 

1 - was it a penalty  for the foul on Kent first half?

2 - was the Morelos goal offside?

Couple of talking points today I thought:

1 - was it a penal for the foul on Kent first half?

2 - was the Morelos goal offside?

Be interesting to see what sort of team Dundee United play today.

my guess is little difference from normal

Let’s move on 

FWIW I think Gerard & Co should have gone last summer 

I think we’ve now got a better manager & back room staff

15 hours ago, CammyF said:

How will this go down with paranoid brigade? Ross Wilson, Gio and Angie out for lunch.... 😆

Hope Ross and Gio were asking him when he’s getting his UEFA pro licence

How do the yahoos get work permits for these Japanese players they’re supposedly signing? Are they internationalists? And has Ange got his uefa pro licence yet?

Pleased to get a win after a sluggish start to the first half. Once we got in front I don’t think there was any doubt but I would like to see us score more goals. Morelos looks to be getting back to the player he was now Gerard’s gone. Long may it continue.

1 minute ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Was it not the lad that plays for them and scored V Inter and real that scored against us for Progres? Thill i think his name was?

Sebastian Till?

Don’t know how anyone can listen to BBC Scotland sportsound. Blatant anti-Rangers  bias.

26th of foot must be a glutton for punishment 

51 minutes ago, CammyF said:

We might, we might not have lost points today if SG was still the manager, we'll never know for sure.

 

When SG left us we had lost 1 league game in 52 (iirc), not a bad record and doesn't point to us losing many games.

 

We done nothing new today. The long ball from Goldson was something we utilised under SG on many occasions.

 

I'm not downplaying the start we've had under Gio, in fact I'm on record as stating that in opinion Gio can be an upgrade. However, it's up to him to continue the good work of the previous manager and backroom staff. 

 

But Gio hasn't taken over a team who were struggling, we were top of the league, we were well placed in Europe, we were in a semi-final and they had assembled a great squad of players. Not a bad starting point for the new manager and his team. 

 

GVB inherited a team which had just lost a LC SF to a struggling hibz team. Yet another domestic cup capitulation. During SG’s reign we got put out of cups by Aberdeen (twice) , St Johnstone, St Mirren & hertz. And there was,of course, the LC final against the yahoos with their offside goal. This needs to change & Im sure Gio knows this.

The one loss in 52 league games you keep referring to includes last season. But last season is now history. Focusing  on this season we were too often nowhere near those standards. Home draws against hertz, Aberdeen & Motherwell for starters.

As I said earlier I do think we’d lost our way a bit under Gerrard but there are already good early encouraging signs under GVB that we’re getting back to where we were last season, particularly in league form. 

1 hour ago, the gunslinger said:

Struggling to understand why gordon wasn't sent off. 

 

No attempt to play the ball just booted him. 

 

alfie being offside should have no bearing on that and if you are going to yellow him you have to go red. 

 

Gordon is the Blue eyed boy though eh. Like when shearer was untouchable down south. 

There were one or two others IIRC. 
One on lundstram I remember 

‘endangering an opponent’  is how I believe it is called nowadays 

7 minutes ago, CammyF said:

We'll never know, we might have turned it around under SG. It's the same players, same formation and same tactics (with little tweaks).

 

The major difference is that Gio has taken over when we are in a position of strength and has inherited a fantastic squad. 

I’d say we may well have dropped points today if Gerrard was still in charge.

For whatever reason we seemed to be starting games poorly & conceding early doors towards the end of his time here.

Today hertz, as expected, came flying out the traps from kick off. I just thought we seemed better prepared.

And the Aribo goal from the long ball was clearly something we’d been planning. Goldson tried the same thing minutes earlier but was unlucky that the ball was slightly over hit. It was as if we’d been working on playing against hertz back three. Aribo got in the space between their two CB’s

1 hour ago, compo said:

Rafa  must go this is adire performance 

Was a strange appointment