RANGERRAB

I understand what he's saying. He can't win the war this week, but he can win a number of battles that mean the war can be won in the next few years. As things stand just now it's stalemate. Everyone will get financially poorer, the 'product' will deteriorate and clubs will go to the wall. By agreeing 12, 12, 18 or 12, 12, 10, 10 as he suggests, the SPL clubs relinquish control and indeed the SPL ceases to exist. If they agree a 12,12, 10, 10 then we'll be promoted after all. Either way most SFL clubs will receive greater TV and sponsorship revenue and their votes will count for all Scottish football.

 

But I don't think there is any doubt the SFL clubs are going to back this proposal in one form or another now.

greater TV and sponsorship revenue ? they haven't got any yet. And they might not get any if we're excluded from the top division next season.

He's hardly been impartial the last few weeks talking up the SPL's 12-12-18. Longmuir knows how that shower of reprobates work,, all talk and no action unless it's to their benefit.

as I said earlier could he be playing devils advocate here in siding with them knowing their proposals are doomed clearing the way for him to take control of any new governing body once dumb & dumber are out the way

One wonders what all this will do for the DR/SM sales figures in Scotland. Could be catastrophic (let's hope so)

“So what’s the best thing we can achieve at this moment including the big items such as one league body?

“When I came to the SFL five years ago I spoke to the SPL about one body because I felt we could market Scottish football more effectively but it was not seen as possible.

“Now we have an opportunity to do that. We also have an opportunity to have more equitable governance where every club has a say. We have an opportunity to have the current wealth spread a bit more fairly down the leagues.

“And we also have an opportunity to put in a pyramid structure.

“So do we sacrifice that opportunity on the basis that we don’t like two 12s and three eights?

 

Seems to me that although it's not their first choice, we are going to be stuck with 12 12 + + , in order for them to gain one body. Not this year though, probably starting in 2013/2014. This means that we will probably lose our ability to control our TV/media contracts as well.

Will TV companies such as SKY want to put their money into this set up ? not sure they will. Could be back to the drawing board methinks. They're only interested in 4 OF games per season

can't help thinking the SFA have back-heeled this i.e. don't want responsibility for taking the decision whether we're due compensation for the deserters or not. Maybe we'll need to go to an employment tribunal of some sort

has he though? he seems to be denying that here rab is he not?

can't help wondering if he's playing devil's advocate in the SPL proposals (12-12-18) as he knows they won't be accepted. That would perhaps clear the way for him to assume control of the new governing body once Dumb & dumber are removed from office

Galling. Green may have some aces up his sleeve.

he certainly might. We've yet to hear anything about TV deals & sponsorships for these new resconstructed leagues.

“I am surrounded by Rangers fans at home" who said this? longmuir? haha class! dheclan and family will be spewing their bile after this.

let's hope they've been giving him a hard time after the way he's been cosying up with the SFA/SPL in recent weeks

So what happens now ?

will we get compensation for these deserters or not?

why then was there a hearing earlier this month with the SFA regarding these deserters ? why did the SFA wait until now to say this ? why did they let the hearing take place?

are the SFA at it again ?

surely even a dimwit like Thomson realises our current predicament was caused because we were unsellable due to a HMRC tax demand (which eventually turned out to be fictitious) but were taken over by a conman who never had the funds to run the club leading him to withhold PAYE/N.I. which caused administration and will also cause eventual liquidation of the oldco. He'd be better investigating how it was this conman managed to buy Rangers (maybe investigate LBG?) and who it was who instigated this HMRC taxcase ( a certain politician now in the Lords maybe?) wasting millions of pounds of taxpayers money in the process.

when are we going to give the BBC an indefinite ban from Ibrox ?

only then will their bosses down south start to realise that they're biased, biggoted & corupt and hopefully take some action.

The specific rules allegedly breached

 

SPL rule D9.3 states all payments made to players for playing football must be registered.

 

It says: "No player may receive any payment of any description from or on behalf of a club in respect of that playerâ??s participation in Association Football or in an activity connected with Association Football, other than in reimbursement of expenses actually incurred or to be actually incurred in playing or training for that Club, unless such payment is made in accordance with a Contract of Service between that Club and the Player concerned."

 

The second rule under scrutiny is D1.13 which states that all contracts must be lodged with the governing body.

 

It says: "A club must, as a condition of registration and for a Player to be eligible to play in official matches, deliver the executed originals of all contracts of service and amendments and/or extensions to contracts of service and all other agreements providing for payment, other than for reimbursement of expenses actually incurred, between that club and player, to the secretary, within fourteen days of such contract of service or other agreement being entered into, amended and/or, as the case may be, extended."

 

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/211784-rangers-await-title-stripping-verdict-as-lord-nimmo-smith-case-begins/

I'm sure rule D1.13 has been updated (presumably by fat mackenzie) to what's shown here since the EBT's ceased. Hope our legal team realise this and the fact that the FTTT ruling was that they weren't contracts otherwise they'd have been liable to taxation.

what they haven't said is they've not discussed with SKY yet & haven't got a replacement sponsor for the CB

sorry rab, what i meant was, do we have a say in any tv deal or is our money for next season being taken from us as well?

Not sure m8

If there's reconstruction then we either agree to the league rules or have no league to play in. Unless we have elsewhere to go there's not much we can do about it.

and these rules say we must accept this SKY deal.? sky are perfectly entitled to show other teams games. why wouldn't they do that?

It wouldn't make good business sense to televise Rangers games when they weren't wanted. I'm sure CG will have stressed this to them in talks he had with them.

is it upto him to sign it though? why are only liewell and doncaster having official spl relevant talks with them?

depends how bloody-minded he wants to be I suppose. Can't see SKY televising a club's game against their wishes.

All this nonsense regarding league reconstruction tells me one thing. They need Rangers for the TV deal to continue, Rangers were not willing to play ball, so all this reconstruction is to force us into it.

CG is on record as saying he'll not sign next season's SKY deal. If he sticks to this what happens to reconstruction if no SKY deal (without us) to pay the monies promised to clubs if they voted for these proposals?

Don't think it's anything to do with age, its the usual Rangers problem apathy, when it comes to the crunch we just don't get involved enough with our club and I doubt it will ever change.

we need one single Supporters Organisation. We have too many presently

do you think green knows about the viewing figures showing us as having the largest viewing audience by some distance and do you think sky are also aware of this? i wonder if they mentioned it to peter liewell in their private talks.

I do know for a fact CG & SKY have had talks. I do wonder where the money promised to clubs for reconstruction is coming from ? CG is on record as saying he'll not sign next season's SKY deal. What will SKY do then?

A massive fine so as the SPL can pay all the other clubs their bribe?

that's exactly what I think they'll try. CG won't pay it (as legally the new company running the club has no obligation to do so) and another period of confrontation between us & the SFA/SPL will duly commence. I genuinely believe if we are resolute & stick together in this we can bring down at least one of these corrupt organisations

For this rconstruction to go through, they will need a TV deal in order to give clubs the monies they'd promised. CG has said he'll not sign any new TV deal leaving a problem as I see things.

SKY have had talks with CG don't forget. Interesting times ahead me thinks.

Unless there's proper tactics & a gameplan next week we won't win. Simple

i love a bit of bitterness. as much as it kills me to say it i would rather have him as manager than ally and i would much rather have their scouts than ours.

It's their scouting system compared to ours which is a big concern. Ours isn't a patch on theirs. I said earlier CG must set performance targets. Here is one area we definitely must improve beyond recognition.

jobs for the boys rab. thats how it works at rangers.

CG needs to set higher performance targets for the management & coaching staff at the club. If they can't achieve those targets they must go.

if & when the team manager's job becomes vacant can we have a proper application process for it as is the norm. in the real world other than simply handing it to someone

What concerns me most is ally seems to think the job is his for as long as he wants it. His coaching & scouting staff concern me too. Other than McDowall no one has any record prior to Rangers. Durrant? Neil Murray? what's Neil Murray's scouting record ? which players has he discovered ? I don't know enough about the younger sides but I've read a few concerns about that too. Seems if you're Ally's mate you'll get a job & be OK.