Blue Moon

Were the admin duped by Green's claims of investors and Rangers men?

I have not been able to understand the sale of the club and why the admin entered into a binding agreement. Until this is fully explained, I will not trust them or Green. I will back the club to get it back on its feet but am extremely wary of a scenario where we buy shares and ST's and the value of the club goes through the roof and a £50 million price tag is placed on the club. I am not averse to the current owners making a profit but not to the extent of preventing the future well being of the club. I am worried that we will be left with owners that don't want us, cannot make a big enough profit to sell on and fail to invest properly in the club.

I agree with you about the sanctions absolutely. The problem is we are shafted, we have no say in what will happen to us and no-one that is prepared to back us, they all want to hammer us.

I think the time for calling us shamed Rangers is over. We heard you the previous one thousand times. At least he called us Rangers.

In Holland every small town has community sports facilities that are light years ahead of ours. These centres cater for the whole community with decent eating facilities, changing rooms etc and several grass and 3G pitches. In order to improve our youngsters, we need to pump money into grassroots facilities, which in our small towns are awful in most cases.

Fom ex pat newspaper in India â??It hurts to see Rangers facing life in fourth tierâ?? Alex Leach / 11 July 2012 MICHAEL Mols admits it â??hurtsâ? to see his former club Rangers potentially facing up to life in the fourth tier of Scottish football after their much-publicised financial problems. The Ibrox-based outfit entered administration in February with reported debts of $32.7m and, despite Rangersâ?? assets having since been bought up by a new company (â??newcoâ??) â?? Charles Greenâ??s Sevco 5088, theyâ??ve been barred from entering this forthcoming seasonâ??s Scottish Premier League (SPL). Rangers could now have to fight their way back to the top flight from either the First, Second or Third Division, with a number of their playing personnel â?? including Steve Davis (Southampton), Steven Naismith (Everton) and Steven Whittaker (Norwich) â?? having already left for pastures new. It appears theyâ??ll have to rebuild with fringe and youth players. â??They will have to start from scratch again,â? said the retired Dutch striker, 41, who won the SPL (2002-03) once and domestic cup double twice (2001-02 & 2002-03 â?? the latter resulting in a historic treble) with Rangers between 1999 and 2004. â??Itâ??s going to be difficult because I think theyâ??re going to be in the Third Division and then itâ??s hard to attract players. â??But, on the other hand, you can make something positive from something negative. It gives the youth a great opportunity to show themselves. â??They will have to build up from the beginning and, hopefully, they will progress as soon as possible because Rangers belong in the Premier League. â??Rangers are still a big club in Scotland. Even if theyâ??re going to be in the Third Division, they have so many supporters all over the country. â??Their dream is to play for Rangers and maybe now itâ??s easier to fulfil their dreams. Theyâ??ll always get the support.â? Molsâ?? spell in Scotland was his only stint outside of his native country, with his playing days either side spent at Ajax, Cambuur, Den Haag, Feyenoord and â?? most notably â?? Twente Enschede and Utrecht. Nonetheless, itâ??s clear he maintains a close association with the Gers even to this day. â??It hurts,â? Mols replied when asked how he felt personally about the clubâ??s dire plight. â??They have a saying: â??Once a Ranger, always a Rangerâ?? and thatâ??s true.â? alex@khaleejtimes.com

I think it is hard to separate religion, history and politics and I wouldn't begin to try to explain this in the context of 20th century Scotland. However from my own experience as a child brought up in a very religious household, we learned tolerance and respect. I can remember watching football with my dad and supporting Celtic when they won the European cup and England when they won the world cup. Somewhere between then and now we have lost the plot and our society is much the worse for that. It would take more than a discussion on here to understand the present (interesting discussion though it is). One thing I am sure of is we need to return to supporting our team and that has nothing to do with religion. This is not to ignore our heritage but if you delve into the past you will see that the present bears no comparison to our heritage.

Thanks, Andy, have fixed it.

I agreed with Blue Peter intrinsically but when I take time to think about it, it is because I really do not like what all of this has done to me and it has been a reminder to be true to myself. Since Feb 14th I have hated everyone and everything, have become obsessive and revengeful and I do not like what I see. Thank you, Blue Peter.

That is below the belt. I too got to the goal posts but got suckered by the Fourth Division, only because I wouldn't put it past them. Now where did I put those blood pressure tablets....

I think for a lot of people it would come down to a choice of ST's or shares.

Well said RST.

Sums up my feelings pretty well, unfortunately for us it is too little, too late. When all of this is over and the post mortems begin, the media have a lot to answer for. I am in despair that they are not giving the SFA and SPL the same treatment that they gave us. Yes, it is the substance of this article but what about the rest of them? They should be ripping them apart, but then I am deluded because they don't have any integrity.

I am confused by this too as my understanding now is that they are not pursuing us but the individuals who benefited from it, therefore where did the huge tax amount come from? Was that the amount owed but now they are saying not from us?

You had me worried there that this was an article from the Independent but to put it in perspective it is a reply on the sports pages of the Irish Independent. It could have been written in Scotland today, however, because it is typical of the biased message that has been peddled in this country about the bigoted club and its supporters and no-one but the blindest idiot or bigot could believe that only Rangers have supporters like this. To put it in perspective, I follow a football team, not a bigotted ideology. I am quite capable of thinking for myself and my thoughts are that we have enough bigoted media here without adding more from Dublin. I have to ask, why did you post this?

I think in terms of the bigger picture you are probably right, but so far I have saved about £210 since mid May and the money I am saving will go to Rangers shares or the RFFF, so I am happy with that.

I cancelled in April and the reason I gave them was the way the SFA were treating Rangers, not just the sanctions but the fact the SFA were doing nothing to assist a club in trouble. To be honest, I cannot remember the exact specifics now as there have been so many things have happened and it is difficult to keep track of what happened when. As I said, I was making an economic protest, telling them that they were sponsoring an organisation that was putting the boot into my club. I felt really angry and had no other way of venting my fury. I wrote to the SFA and SPL and never received a reply and telephoned the SFA and left a message and no-one got back to me. Their silence has been deafening unless it had the words sanctions or sporting integrity in it.

I cannot see any way that these two incompetents will survive this. There is all round bad feeling towards them outwith the SPL (and no doubt secretly within it too). I would imagine they will be a major part of the parliamentry committee's work. At the very worst both will move on to pastures new, in a "promotion".

I have to say, I am really missing it. I can't believe how poor "council telly" is. I will look at other options in time, or just be more sociable and go to the pub more.

I certainly do not consider myself as a fundamentalist but did cancel my Sky. I see it in the same terms as a boycott, it is an economic protest.

"We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and/or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco." I think this is a very valid point. I took this to mean, that if Craig Whyte's purchase of the club is fraudulent, what does that mean for the current ownership of the club? I have been saying from the beginning that the SFA should not have acted until the law had taken it's course. We only see it from our perspective, that we would be the victims of a crime and would have been punished unjustly. My fear is that they use it to say suspend us until this has played out. "Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL’s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division." It is an absolute nonsense that we and other clubs are entering this whole process blind as to what the levels of sanctions would be for SFL1 and SFL3. What happens if there is further fallout from these decisions after the fact? A scenario which is highly likely, with boycotts, season ticket sales affeccted, ill will and all of the other repercussions that have still to come. It would seem the SFL clubs are being more circumspect and pragamtic than the SFA and the SPL.

I cannot believe in the big conspiracy theory. This whole Rangers thing has been played out in the public domain, meaning a fantastic amount of interest in it. If there was a conspiracy, some of our enemies would have been on to it in a flash.

I admire Black's dig but that's where it ends. Diouf did nothing on the field, nor for our reputation. Black would be the same. He can't help himself and is too much of a loose cannon for me.

:grin: Brilliant

Sense at last. Thanks, Frankie. Agreed, on both your posts.