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Oooomft - thats a tricky tie, both teams down the bottom. Perhaps a draw!

A bit of realism has to come into it aswell. This time last year WS was beginning mission impossible where we had had our worst 18 months in most of our life times. He's got us winning again and more importantly challaging in 4 competitions - so where the style of play is not enjoyable on the eye its still effective. But once again we have to be realistic, our standard of players is far below what many of us are used to. There are a number of our squad who are simply average run of the mill SPL players. Its those players with that extra bit of quality who get us those wins. Which such a mix of average and good players we arent going to get free plawing football. Plus the league we play in and the state of the pitches dont help us.

This is another thing Wenger does brilliantly, but this shows he is a bit of a businessman aswell, and is away from team matters. He has transformed the club inside out with youth etc. But Ferguson has done this also, although not to the scale Wenger did. Ferguson won the double with kids and took Giggs, Neville(s), Butt, Scholes, Becham through and won the league.

Its difficult to compare because Sir Awex has been in charge an extra 10 years. But Sir Awex struggled for 3-4 years before winning a trophy. Wenger came in a won the double in his first full season. Wenger has been in charge for 11 and a bit years and if he wins the league this season it will be his 4th title. If you look back and count how many titles Ferguson won in his first 11-12 years then its the same - 4 (93,94,96,97). FA Cups: Sir Alex has won the FA cup 5 times in 22 years, Wenger has won it 4 times in 11 years, so Years to ratio - Wenger leads although AF has won more. CL - They have both made 1 final each with AF winning and AW runner up. So at the moment it depends how you look at it. AF has won more but Percentage / time wise they are pretty much level. But they are both legends and will go down as the very best IMO. They have both produced amazing teams playing top class football but Wengers style is too easy on the eye. He also produced the invinceables by going a season unbeaten. But Ferguson pulled off a treble. Only once they have both moved on we will be able to give a definate answer as to who was more successful.

Henry leaving was a masterstroke. He was holding the team back with his moods and demands and wanting everything to go through him. Wenger is a genius and i hope they go on and do back to back titles this season and next to prove he is up there with the best.

In the SPL against lower league sides then yes but not against Panathinikos. I dont think the former Kilmarnock strike force is good enough to blast us into the next round. This side are good and we need a bit of bite about us. Boyd has proved his level is the SPL at best and struggles in big matches. I like Fraser's team but id still play Cousin.

Results wise = effective Performance and entertainment wise = very dull and pretty unimaginative

I do like the look of Frasers and Cammys XI. Frasers may be a shout but I think Adam will come in for him and beef up the midfield leaving 1 upfront. WS may also play Cousin for his quality (if he is in the mood). But Id personally put out: ____________________McGregor_________________ Whittaker______Weir_________Cuellar________Papac _____________Ferguson______Hemdani____________ ____Novo____________Buffel____________McCulloch/Naismith ____________________Cousin____________________ I cant make my mind up between McCulloch and Naimsith. LM has been struggling of late but his strong physical pressance could be vital in the game. I havent seen enough of Davis to say where he would play.

Totally agree. I was just thinking this morning now that Hutton has gone, who would be our main contender for player of the season, and CC has to be up there at the moment. Still time to shine for a few others with such important games coming up and 3 months to do so.

Nobody says we cant. I just wonder how many people fly flags at Rugby games or if anyone was to take one into a Snooker hall. Im sure those people are equally happy to be Scottish or British or from elsewhere. Its partly a fashion just to take it to football grounds. I see P&P's point that it doesnt have relevance to football but I aslo see the other argument for it. But its a free country so people are entitled to do what they believe (to an extent).

Its a tough one. If Cousin is in the mood and WS plays 1 upfront then Id play DC. He proved against Barca he is the best at that role. Id only play Boyd if Buffel plays behind him. Thats the way I feel we'd get more out of him. With a solid midfield 4 then Buffel in a free role Boyd would get away with doing nothing. But I actually like the look of Frasers team. Its got pace and excitement about it. But Im with Gav, WS will play 1 upfront and I think it will be Boyd.

I thought the talk before Christmas was that this is pretty much a done deal in the summer?? I wouldnt take him for 3 million - abosultely no way - but if we got him for around a million then yes id take him.

Your just guessing :fish: We should be doing more business like the Cousin deal to make money if thats the way the UK transfer system is. Blackburns strike force cost 6 million yet Lafferty is valued at 4 million - thats a joke.

Quite a few fancied City. Our pundits on the telly did, but i thought Man U would have battered them. 11/1 was a steel

Ball has been playing well all season, he is a player I liked at Rangers but just had a bad time with injuries. Great result for Man City though even though it stuffed my coupon. Arsene Wenger must have enjoyed his Sunday lunch with those 2 results. Didnt actually like the plain kit Man U were wearing, it just didnt look right in this day and age.

Went to bed after the 10th minute and glad I did. What a pile of pish. What a chance for Arsenal tonight to open a wee gap up.

Tell me about it!!! I had a treble on aswell - Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal tonight!!! Ive definatly got to stop putting a coupon on. As for Celtics win, they went and played football and torn Aberdeen apart. As Gav says we need someone who can run with the ball and take on a player or 2. I cant stand that McAvennie love child but he had some silky skills for one of the goals.

Man Utd are 7/2 and the draw is 5/2. One of them bets is a banker but not sure which one. If i chose one the other will happen. Its the same as Villa yesterday.

I didnt think there would be a problem with the City fans during the silence after all what has been said. But what was all the bangers going off? Must been some clowns outside the stadium.

I fancy: Man Utd v Man City - Home win Chelsea v Liverpool - Home win Aberdeen v Celtic - draw Might have a flutter on individual games.

Shocking that in a day in age where Pro footballers are playing on that one has to retire at 32 due to being fat and lazy. Watch this guy puff up now that he isnt playing. It will be like watching a cake in the oven - he will grow huge now. He was a bit of nightmare to play against when he was at Celtic but he has always been a fat boy. Bye bye :moon:

It fell away at the end. Ended up with 4 draws and 1 win. SWANSEA drew at Crewe (conceded 2 late on) WEST HAM drew with Birmingham (disgrace) HEARTS beat Gretna SHEFF U drew with 10 men Scunthopre (Robson is pish) BURNLEY drew with Colchester - bottom of the league :uzi:

Mine is coming alone nicely at the moment. 3 winning and 2 drawing. Didnt go for the above teams

C'mon you Irons!! Freddie with his First West Ham goal. If we dont beat Birmingham we dont deserve to be challenging for Europe.

Newcastle are a mess. Villa well deserved the win. I wouldnt be surprised to see some more drama at St James park soon. They have Man Utd, Blackburn and Liverpool for there next 3 games - no more than 1 point IMO.