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Agree with Andrew.

Are you serious? Who mentioned they moved overseas to soley avoid paying taxes? Pete is in the debate and Im pretty sure his taxes in Holland are higher than in UK. There are also a few posters from down south (Calscot and Wija) and their taxes (council tax especially) are likely to be higher than the rest in Scotland. And please explain why immigrating for work purposes and to better ones life style means we are not loyal to the country? Maybe we just feel we arent getting value for money...taxes are everywhere but in UK the public services we get are beyond a joke... The NHS is supposed to be free yet i paid national insurance from the age of 16 and rarely received any treatment...yet when i did need something i had to wait 6 months for a hospital appointment The roads are terrible with pot holes, The public transport system is terrible - when i took the train from Aberdeen to Glasgow for a Gers match Scotrail lay on 3 carriages which was mobbed by Perth - then how many delays do you read about down south? We are TOLD when to put our friggin bins out and are now being fined if its on the wrong day and they arent being picked up if they are 1 inch open from the top I could go on and on....but to show loyality to that service is insanity IMO. Im touching onto a different topic now that UK is becoming far to Big Brother style. Complete drivel. Who says i dont pay any tax anyway??? I still have an apartment there that im paying a mortgage and council tax on. I also work for a UK company which has maintained excellent growth in the UK providing jobs for UK citiezens. This has been recognised by a few awarding bodies. Yeah thats right we'd wipe Scotland off the map Your saying there is no chance we are as patriotic as you yet YOUR the one who smiled when the national team lost last week. Talk about contradicting yourself. Im sorry but it seems you have issues with anyone immigrating more than anything else. Do you know any foriegners in the UK from say the US, Canada, Australia, India????? Go ask them if they arent patriotic about their own country just because they live in the UK.

Awesome stuff Damien....cheers. the first one is class....i cant beleive the size of the terraces...how good would the atmosphere have been then!!!

Liverpool did out fight Man U in the 2nd half but they didnt have too much chances infront of goal plus both goals came from terrible Man U errors. Im not saying they didnt deserve to win, because they were the better team, but on another day Man U would have won 1-0 coz they wouldnt have given away those goals

And they didnt half sneak it. A freak own goal and a rare Giggs mistake. Man U probably scored too early

Did he score for Falkirk yesterday? Think i seen his name on the internet vidiprinter

Only those who like Boyd would be in denial about it I didnt see the game but obviously Boyd got the goals to give us 3 points. I still believe his style of play cuts down our options but he is decent for the average SPL games. Killie have started well but they are still a poor side. By the sounds of thins Novo showed when he came on that he should be a starter.

Agreed about arsenal, they need plays to stay fit to mount their challenge, if they do stay fit then they will be there. The only other thing they have to do is be able to beat the other big 3. All last season they were the better side in all the games but couldnt hold there leads. RE liverpool, they did outplay Man U but both goals should have been avoided. The first was a freak og that should have been cleared but it came of Brown and Giggs messe up for the 2nd...other than that it would have been a frustrating day for Liverpool, it was one of them where they got the luck there way. Both Vidic and Terry were sent off yesterday rulling them out of the match next week. Terry is going to appeal but it was a straight red for me - it was practically a rugby tackle

Chelsea just too strong. Man City will be a top 8 team this season, but they wont go near the top 4 until yet.

Liverpool's luck will catch up on them. Middlesboro and Sunderland deserved something off them. And Man U just havent started yet. Arsenal and Chelsea have started the season as the 2 that look the best. Normally Arsenal would go to Blackburn and get a draw at best due to the physical side of the game, they went there and rolled them over. Cream rises to the top and Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd will be the top 3.

4-0 awesome stuff...happy i decided to watch this game. They didnt get out of 2nd gear and could have been 4-0 up at half time. Blackburn had a few chances first half but Arsenal were superb again. Champions elect!!!

No i wasnt going to put west ham on anyway...i was going to take them out for sure. I almost just put the 4 fold on but threw Newcastle in.

MASSIVE FUCK!!! I took West Ham out as i wasnt confident with them and put Newcastle in there place. What was i thinking!!! 2-0 down at home to Hull and its going to cost me

1-0 Van Persie - superb goal! Walcott picked the ball up skinned 3 players then ran and laid it off for Van Persie who put a cool finish past Robinson. Walcott is on fire

2-1 Liverpool and they deserved it. Man Utd didnt have any ideas on the wings without Ronaldo. However it was 2 mistakes that gifted Liverpool both goals even though Liverpool out fought Man Utd in the 2nd half. Liverpool 10 pts out of 12 even tho they only deserve about 7 pts, but thats a good sign of teams who can win games when not playing well. Thats a big psychological victory now and Man U have got Chelsea next week.

I havent even thought about a coupon after the last few weeks, then just tuned into talksport and now I fancy Blackburn v ARSENAL FULHAM v Bolton West Brom v WEST HAM BIRMINGHAM v Doncaster RANGERS v Kilmarnock

Yip your spot on Craig, as I said should every Rangers fan live in Glasgow and every Man Utd fan live in Manchester?? Just because an opportunity came knocking our way to improve the 'Scottish Company" that employ us we set our sights higher to broaden our surroundings and tried living in other parts of the world. That no way suggests we moved from our country due to not being patriotic or for not liking our country. There are quite a lot of things id change about the UK as a whole for the better - 1 obviously being the tax system(s) which are ridiculous. The weather has got buggar all to do with anything, i actually miss cold days quite a lot seen as dont get any, so that argument is out the window. If you go to Perth Australia its like a mini Scotland, someone quoted me the figure of 150,000 Scots in that city alone which is around the same as Dundee - I dont think its that actually that high but its certainly a 5 figure amount. As for voting - well thats another topic. For me it doesnt matter who governs as the government always get in...the people we see as running the country are mere puppets who are being told what to do by a higher regeime/elite. If we really had democracy we would have an option on the voting slip for 'none of the above'.

Im looking forward to this game tonight, and these games are always more even at Anfield. Liverpool have had a good start points wise but been poor performance wise. Man U have only played 2 games and will need a win as they have Chelsea next week aswell. Gerrard and Torres have been passed fit for Liverpool which swings the odds IMO. I expected Man U to go there and win 2 or 3 nil but with those 2 back I can see liverpool really being up for it. I'll sit on the fence with a 2-2 draw. Elsewhere, Man City v Chelsea should be a cracker.

Bet Alan Hutton is regretting he didnt patent the idea

Pity Scotland didnt have McCann still flying down the wing for us. He is 1 player i rated highly and wasnt happy when he left for Southampton - his career went pear shaped then.

He can say it with a smile on his face just to cover up the fact he IS trying to get the point across. For me BF HAS to bide his turn when he is fit again. If Thomson and Mendes strike up a good understanding then why should that be broken up.

I see what your saying Fraser but cant fully agree. Also listened to Chick interview Burley after the game and they were saying Brown had a good game???!!! For me he might just be going thru a bad patch (all players do), and once he is on his game I would have in the team hands down. He is a bit of a knob but i think he is a good player. As for Broadfoot - its the opposite. Kirk is playing his best ever football but its still pretty average and if his form dips again then he wouldnt be near my team. At the moment he is there on merit and thats fair and something i like to see. After all Eck took FAR to long to call Hutton up. McFadden has to be in the team aswell for me. He is the 1 player we have who can turn a game. I dont think playing in the Championship is doing him any good as that league is a big scrap. If Lee McCulloch gets his 'A' game back he will be a miss We do have a decent squad when everyone if fit. Kevin Thomson is getting nearer the first XI and it would be D Fletcher who makes way for me, then shift Brown out right. But this is the first 2 sides we could field when fit. _________________Gordon___________________ Hutton______Weir________McManus______Naysmith Fletcher_____Brown______Ferguson_______Maloney _____________Miller______McFadden____________ ___________________McGregor_________________ Whittaker____Broadfoot_____Caldwell______S Smith?? Robson______Hartley_______Thomson______Quashie _____________Fletcher_____Novo* _______________ * Wasnt talk of the wee man applying for British citizenship??

Yip agree fully. The hard work done against celtic will almost be pointless if we went and threw away silly points. We should be looking to win EVERY home game. The performance level against celtic was top notch and would be difficult to expect every game but the benchmark has been set and we should certainly try to be like this week in week out. Agreed, a Switched on Cousin is a huge loss and il be interested to see how he does at Hull. IMO he made the wrong move as Ibrox was a better option than Hull. He and Miller upfront with a solid yet creative midfield 4 put us back looking like a real team again. I was all for 4-3-3/4-5-1 recently but after seeing how we played at parkhead im not hoping Lafferty comes good and leads the Cousin like role.

This comment is as ridiculous as your first post. Where i stay has buggar all to do with patriotism - Thats like saying all Rangers fans should stay in Glasgow...but then there is more than 1 team in Glasgow...so maybe all Gers fans have to stay in Govan. But if i have to move to the other side of the world to escape a caveman victorian mentality just to live in modern times then so be it. Maybe you should switch radio stations or tv channels that actually go beyond the pettyness of the media or better still - rise above it!!! That makes no difference. Those players were representing your country and were probably the best available. Id rather have 5 celtic players in the team than options from East Fife, Dunfermline or St Mirren. You cant have a situation in the international side where the 6 other players win but the 5 celtic players lose Some people around the world would be utterly baffled as to a supposed scotsman smiling on there national team getting beat, disliking certain aspects of the country like kilt, FOS, bagpipes. I agree you dont have to support the national football team to be proud of your country - to like football is a personal choice...but your obviously a football fan and to say you had a smile at a defeat plus admit to jumping up and down in annoyance when you see a celtic play in a scotland shirt shows you are almost anti Scotland football team and have your own issues. Just as i said earlier. People will find it baffling. You dont have to like it but to say bagpipes are an embarressment to music is just a silly comment. Some people are proud to learn this instrument. Im not a fan of playing the guitar but i dont say its embarressing as guitars play a big part in music and are the reaosn behind some great musicians. Sounds like you have enough bad wind to play your own set of bagpipes. . I personally wouldnt go out and learn the bagpipes but i dont find it near embarressing. I agree on this. The internationals should have like 2 mini seasons in the year - probably in January then at the end of the season - just before the WC / EC are played. It would get people interested in it a bit more along with giving the national managers longer with there squads. During the season a few friendlies and get togethers could still be arranged but competitive games should be played together. I see what your saying here. But the top qualified men in football (who i class a grade A scottish managers) arent / wouldnt take it. This list probably includes Sir Awex and David Moyes but they arent going to leave there huge jobs for a part time job. In Burley i think we went for potential more than experience and sometimes in a career you have to give someone a chance rather than going with those who already 'have the tshirt' - or nobody in life would ever step up to the mark.

Hoi, do you think this is Gridiron!!!! Russia GOT a penalty:thup: