Gribz

This has developed into an interesting thread. Its interesting to see some comments thinking that some players would be better off leaving our club and going back home for the benefits of them personally - Novo and Aaron. You really couldnt blame them! I said a few weeks ago WS should be judged at the end of the season or when this seasons title is decided as it was a 3 stage process. But im swaying towards thinking he just cant deliver anymore. He has bought far too many signings and not played some (Edu, Velicka, Lafferty - upfront, Aaron), yet stuck with poor players and also denies players with talent a place on the bench (Hemdani) - you couldnt make all that up! As for who would replace him, Ascenders shout of Souness for a chairman appealed to me, but not as manager i dont think! Jons call for George Graham appealed - a manager ive always liked and who Scotland should have went out the way to get before Burley. El Tel is another. But im still a huge fan of Martin Jol for next Gers boss!

Agreed Craig, and this is down to discipline of the players and that comes down to the management. Too much diets of burgers and pizzas (i wouldnt deny players this too much but its probably daily with some of our players) and not enough pasta's etc. You just wonder what PLG would have done had the players listened!!

I think the thing with Adam is everyone knows how bad a player his has been in the last year, yet the manager has to take some flak for bringing him in. 1 of WS problems is he doesnt give anyone a decent run on the left, it may take 6 games to adjust and find some form. Going back to Maineflyer's last post, some of the players in Ecks reign would walk straight into the team now which proves we are being downsized by the season - we were on the downward spiral then and we are doing the same now. Id mention Peter Lovenkrands in that list aswell, and we had a chance to take him back - a player who proved it in big games. Give me him on the left anyday compared to our current options bar Aaron who i cant judge. Yet players like PL get shot down because they arent a Stuart McCall type player who will go in for every challenge at 100mph - we dont need 11 players like that, we need the odd player who can create and score out of nothing when the chips are down and the likes of PL, Novo can do that.

Been saying for 12 months that Novo would probably be the first name on the team sheet for me. An impact player doesnt just have to sit on the bench!! Not only is he an impact player but he has a bit of quality and always gives his all and has a bit of pace again. He is being wasted on the bench. He has proven it in big games. It wouldnt surprise me at all if WS purposely didnt bring him on sooner due to this Spanish game!

The memory of him picking his nose during the sky tv interview jumps out to me and reminds me how much of a joke he is! Im not 1 to boo our own players but i want Adam to Fuck off - Worst ever Ranger!! And want does WS see in him???

Morning Mike Yip RE Fergie, IF Thomson was there we wouldnt have this discussion - but woulnd we - coz WS would play all 3???

Hot spanish talent, i was slagged for saying he WONT get a game!!!!!!!!!!

Along with Mendes!

No sharp enough - so make it shaprer!!! At HT i said we needed a more impact player to kill off a shite celtic! but they didnt bring on Fleck, Aaron or Novo and allowed them into it!!

Fuck off Charlie Adam, ive no interest in anything this pleb says!! yes we can still the league but need a few favours!!! Piss off you joke

Cheers mate! Ive been sitting wondering if i reacted too much, but your spot on!! :cheers:

Wind up or wee joke??

Whats with the lying down comment first? And what was irrelevant? Let me see....Erm Yes Sebo was giving that role and suceeded! Yet you lot think he was headless chicken because he actually put challenges in towards the celtic defence! What did tow boy do yesterday apart from look well out of his depth?? I think he would have scored it! Nobody can be right here! I also think Sebo would have done better with the pass that fell to Tow Boy's feet in the box during the first half where he just look and couldnt make a reaction! Yes against fuckin Hamilton etc!!!! Can you imagine Boyd scoring against Celtic or in the Champions League - which is where i expect Rangers stirkers to score - NO absolutely not! Boyd is his own scapegoat, he is an average run of the Mill SPL striker - proven! Not a striker worthy of a side to win the league nor in european competitions - until he gets records of FACTS than can debunk that theory then il say the same! Lets get real, he cant even do the basics! Yes he has had 5 good game recently and everyone has hard-ons about him - but look at where we are!!! And yes he ISNT ISNT ISNT (FFS read previous posts) the worst scapegoat. How about actually quoting where i said Adam, Broadfoot, Whittker etc are worse!!!! Mendes has arguably the toughest role - playmaker and ball winner! He is playing with poorer players than he is used to! The guy has talent and ability - nobody can deny that!!! But he is a bit like Bergkamp than he reads the game far better than his fellow players and is suffering. He cant do it all himself. He is the best player to pull on a Gers shirt this season by a mile!!! If we had Hutton, Cuellar and Thomson in the same team as him we would be top of the league! Boyd got service!! I can recall a few times where he was given the ball and yet again did the usual - loose it!! And what about strikers working for there own service i.e. dropping deep, picking the ball up, laying off a pass!? What did tow Boy do?? And who is to say Novo/Prso wouldnt chip in with 25 goals if played in the midfield - again nobody can be right here coz its opinions. But id be putting my money on Prso doing a fuckin better job that Tow Boy anyway!!! Mind reader??? Done scientific research??? Ive been the first to say he has upped his game in recent 5 weeks or so but HAS to do it over a season - yet again ive been proved right as he was rank in an OF game! The thing is, Im stating facts - Boyd isnt good enough to be in a league winning side, yet Jon would have him in a team ahead of the likes of Henry etc - thats been stating on here!!! Laughable!!! Craig, are you in the same mind set that you believe in these shite players? The evidence is infront of us - we wont / cant win titles with average players and we have them in abumdance! Boyd is 1 of them! - Fact!

Taking Boyd out the team doesnt mean we wont have someone who wont score goals - Wallace, Dodds, Negri, Novo, Prso have all done it in CHAMPIONSHIP winning teams! People assume his goals win us things - when his play etc is part of our downfall - as you say he isnt a main culprite - Adam, Broadfoot, Whittake, Burke, plus previous donkeys have done this!!!! Whos to say if we drop him for 30 games then Novo, Velicka, Lafferty etc wont step up during a run!!! Watch the game today? Yes he isnt being singled out but its another example! As i said how dont you know someone else could step up yet offer that something extra!!!!

Great post GB I was kinda in the yes party to bring him back, and knew he would steady the ship - but to take us to the final level, he is failing badly. Yes agreed he has players which are full of run of the mill players! - Costing us the title IMO! Call MI5 for me mate - this deserves an ivestigation!! Again, spot on! Whittaker, Broadfoot will always depress me! They are the new poor mans Bollan and Cleland! Again agreed on the sub, i couldnt beleive it! I thought it would have been McCulloch Asked the same question!

Erm...with Hindsight - not quite!!! He looked about as athletic as Geoff Capes today!

Rolling on the floor laughing!!! Yet again 1 away!! Dundee Utd won Motherwell won St Mirren won Hibs lost!

The way you backed up the other players in the team made me think who would you drop!!!!

Unbelievably im listening to the Clash - Should I stay or should I go!!!! Laugherty wasnt the first pick on my mind though!!!

You hit the nail on the head!!! How many league titles have we won since 2005??

Take your anorak off Craig. Sebo was giving a different job/role - but thats right, you dont want to compare! I wonder if Sebo would have planted Boyds chance today - i think id have scored it :fish:

Boyd did the same today!

And Boyd put in the famous Cardboard cutout performance for the 76th time Dont want to compare and debate Sebo, but he did more in 1 game than Boyd has done!

Can never be bothered with arguing coz you cant!!! you never do!!! you just say BOYD IS THE MAN, SAID IT BEFORE, EDIT POSTS BLAH BLAH BLAH.....never any substance!! C'mon then, we've all sais the same things before but we still say them! Biased???? how you work that out?? Are you happy to settle for Celtic 4IAR??? My points are valid towards that!

So why disagree on the other thread?