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'b' is a good point which I made the other day. Huge chance for people to write themselves in as real hero's in their own way. I think Albertz and Mols is far fetched, they couldnt play a full season. No doubt they would be wonderful in the dressing room though and inspire the new team on and Im all for bringing them in on some role if they do it volunterarly. But Ferguson and Novo are very realistic seen as they are still playing at a higher level than we currently are. Pretty sure Novo might fancy. I still think we need to get some loan deals from Arsenal again.

Things have to come to a head now, if no decision is made on transfer embargo then Brechin could end up getting a bye and that will kick things off. Its gone beyond embarrassing that this has dragged onto the season. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if the SFA delay this so we play kids in the match and lose so it can be recorded in the record books.

I see what Calscot is getting at, its where does the line get drawn. If they attempted to strip our titles then does the co-efficent points for Scottish clubs in Europe and the national team become void and should the victories any of our clubs had be void??? If they give the runners up our titles from the years we wont it under Murray is it only going to benefit the team who actually finished 2nd....what about the rest of the league, wouldnt the 3rd placed team feel agrived for possible missing out on CL spot!!

Jog on Dunfermline. You finished bottom and Ross County replaced you, get over it. Its the ONE and ONLY (I sound like Chesney Hawkes) thing I agree with the SPL about is putting Dundee up. But then again the way Dundee Utd have been acting Dunfermline would be worse for them so who cares.

The transfer embargo hasnt been confirmed therefore I assume we can currently sign players, so Im not sure why we arent trying to pull out all the stops to get a few in before any decision is made. They couldnt penalise us when no sanction has been decided and we are a newco not in Administration

Healys no great loss, a more mobile loan deal from a big club in England would be better anyway. Edu hasnt made any statement has he? Wonder if Bartley would fancy another season.

Are these players all still with us?? This XI would stroll Div 3. _________Alexander the Great____________ Cole_____Broadfoot_____Perry_____Wallace _____Edu_____McCulloch____Hutton_____ ____Kerkar____Healy_____Hemmings_____

Thanks! I clicked the last page as I as going to read back the way.....seeing your post means I dont have to

The best thing to come of this mess is the whole of Scotish football might go back to paying players like the average punter and where winning was the most important thing rather than dividing players with high wages and fancy cars from the fans - just the same as in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s when TV money didnt matter yet Scottish football was feared and a success.

They may use this as bait to make other SPL sides change their vote and hand titles under Murrays regime to the runners up over the near 20 years but that is so flawed. Are they going to then make Rangers as the runners up from all those seasons and only benefitting the team who did actually finish 2nd?? What about the team who finished 3rd...wouldnt they oppose this and say they missed out on CL qualification? Then the knock on effect happens which means they have to then have us finishing bottom of the league in those years - and relegate us again. If they took titles away they are basically only rewarding the team who finished 2nd and saying it was a 2 team league....absolute nonsense. If we cheated then we cheated for the full season not just on finishing first so they have to take that into consideration! Bottom line is we didnt cheat on the pitch, we didnt match fix, we wont the games and titles fair and square on the park! End of. Juventus were stripped for match fixing. They can attempt this title strip but they cant change history. They cant change the re-direction of the helicopter in 2005. They cant save Arteta's pen in 2003 to make it 6-1. 54 it is! and 54 it remains. If they do attempt this then we should boycott playing in SPL again and that puts the boot back into them.

I think the SPL clubs were making their decision based on losing Rangers finances for a season, now they have to look at from a minimum of 3 years and at 2 games per season they are going to be hit massively from the fixture alone - before TV and sponsors. Outside Celtic, Aberdeen are supposed to be worst hit from missing the fixture. Their approx 250k per match now ends up being minimum multiplied by 6. It will be interesting to see Celtic attendances, if they drop (which I expect) then they are going to be losing a massive amount! 7500 (fans) x 42 (quid per ticket) x 2 (games) x 3 (years) = 1.89M just on ticket sales. How many OF fans in the past have bought ST based on getting 2 derbies in a season. I know one year I bought mine in the Club Deck knowing Im guaranteed OF and CL games, as previously I used to pick and choose matches to go to when possible and could always get a ticket for St Johnstone or Hibs games.

The only problem is the SFA are still messing about 'considering' sanctions! I.e. still trying to delay things....I can only see the season being delayed as we still dont know if their is a transfer sanction.

Plus Wallace? Those 4 are a good start!! Throw in a few youngsters from Arsenal! I wonder how fit Davie Weir is still, could be done with another 12 month contract for him.

I would say they are more concerned about their own positions TBH. If they were concerned about the game they would have handled things far better and the Scottish game would have been reconstructed a couple of seasons ago now.

I thought Dundee Utd were bad at statements but how dopey can St Mirren be blaming the SFL. As Bluedell stated why didnt they just vote us in the relegated us and put Dunfermline back up. It was the SPL who opened this can of worms in the first place.

Im wondering what plans AM has for bringing players in....we have to have some plan which puts us up the leagues. I think we will be relying on young fringe players and favours from the likes of Man Utd and Arsenal. Both Ferguson and Wenger will probably be happy to help us out plus they will see their players getting first team football for a big club.

Its fair to say Dundee Utd are fast becoming the most vocal in their bitterness and hatred, I expected it from Aberdeen fans but from offical clubs Dundee Utd are fast making themselves an enemy. If we enter the Scottish cup Im dreaming of playing them at an empty Tannadice.

There is no way they'd issue an apology. At most a couple of dignified chairmen MIGHT say they made the wrong financial decision. But the others will firmly blame Rangers mess for them having financial trouble. I dont wish the worst on any of the clubs, their fate is in their own hands but its getting tricky to not want Dundee Utd to be in a mess as they seem to be the most vocal about kicking us down....

A lot of statements over Regan, but nobody should be forgetting about Doncaster, he's acted as big a wally!

Been saying this for weeks when I compared it to PDC forming in Darts. Hamilton, Partick, Raith, Dundee, Dunfermline, Morton are pretty decently supported clubs and certainly not smaller than Ross County, Caley, St Johnstone, St Mirren etc.

2 leagues would be better but there is too many clubs for that. Previously when there was 2 leagues there must have only been 36-38 team. 40 is probably the limit for 2 leagues.

Being hearing the rumours about the SPL now looking at creating an SPL 2 and including Rangers in that. How sneaky can Doncaster be? Tries to pass the buck to the SFL clubs to get more finances with Rangers in Div 1, this doesnt work out so plan B is an SPL 2. That will just end the Scottish game. What they going to have - 2 leagues of 6? Because I cant see many SFL clubs agreeing to that! I cant even see Rangers and our support agreeing to that, we're accepting Div 3. A total honest restructure of the game now needs to take place. Stick by the decision to make the top flight 16-18 team league, then have 2 leagues below that with a pyramid system for non-league clubs. The top division must have 2 relegated with 2 coming up from Div 1 but the 2nd place should be via a play off system. Whether thats between clubs 2-5 in Div 1 or includes the 2nd bottom SPL team for a chance of survival, it doesnt matter because it would create interest. Summer football must be considered for a better product. And most importantly the 3 bodies must merge and new guys running the game must undergo the 'fit and proper' test. Id temporarily put the game in charge of high profile ex scottish players.

Its just too big a step down for international players. You can see them droping 1 division, maybe 2 at the most. Makes you wonder what kind of squad we are going to have. To get back up we're going to need 1 or 2 senior players to be there. McCulloch id imagine is one and for his loyality may go down as the most important Rangers captain in history. Makes you wonder if there is any ex player out there who would come back and give us 3 seasons to cement their legendary status - Barry Ferguson perhaps!

Bitter Jambo....

Awaiting my ale.....