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If its Queens Park who win the play offs Im sure they will push for promotion as they could get another 2 home games with Rangers giving them that huge pay out again. Im sure the sides going for Play offs in Div 2 wont go for it. They will feel they have a chance of promotion and if they won it they'd feel they deserves to be in a league higher than any current Div 3 club. I never thought of the Dunfermline thing creating an opening for easing up the situation, very convenient! And if Hearts go also and have to start again in the lowest league it solves the problem.

I really dont think they can restructure things at this stage in a season, any changes have to be at known at the start of a season. I expect us to be in Div 2 next season and then the 12-12-18 starting 2014/15. Should we win Div 2 next season we are then promoted to the SPL 1. Here lies the next problem which hasnt been discussed not just from Rangers point of view. If they somehow manage to get this 12-12-18 through and in place for next season it has to be transparent all the way. The team who finishes top of Div 2 this season also has to gain promotion. Now what league would they go into? How about the teams in the play offs. If Queens Park win the plays off between the 3 sides in Div 3 and the 1 team from Div 2 they should also earn promotion. That is what they have been playing for all season. Same for Div 2 clubs fighting in the play off spots. Therefore there could be 4 sides (lets say 2 auto promoted and 2 play off winners) earning themselves to a higher league than they currently are in (unless they scrap the play offs which is truely unfair). With only 1 dropping out of the SPL and 1 going up from Div 1 that would make the 2nd tier having 14 teams unless they force more relegation spots which current Div 1 teams arent going to vote for. If Rangers go for a legal battle to be promoted then Queen of the South (current Div 2 leaders) and the play off winners must do this also. There is also the scenario of the teams finishing 2nd bottom of Div 1 and 2 winning the play offs. If they do win the play offs they are going to feel they cant be relegated! Absolutely balls up of a situation.

5 managers this season and not out including temp bosses like Eric Black. If it wasnt for those owners and Shebby Singh then there would be big names queing up for the gaff. Shebby Singh is a twat, he used to be on TV here all the time coming out with nonsense. Perfect job for Big Eck now, it wont work out after 40 days then he will move on with not being blamed for another mess.

There goes another job this season for Appleton.

Forum has been down last 3 nights (UK time). Is there upgrading going on?

The first bit I take your point, the club was battered and didnt know where we were playing and didnt have a squad. A slow start was expected. But once we got the squad together there is enough talent in their to avoid performances like Annan where were not a one off by a long stretch. Considering our players are supposed to be full time and working on the training pitch every day together and our opponents probably only meet up one evening in the week to train the gulf in ability hasnt shown. Most on here have said one expectation is to start a new football philosophy as we have a terrific chance of laying foundations for the next few generations. This has been a massive missed opportunity. Throwing the cheque book (when its allowed to come out) at the problems on the pitch papers over the cracks. There has been no plan put in place for when we get back to the top. All I can see is we are going to have players who are equivalent to the majority of SPL sides meaning we wont be any better than them. The eventual signings of decent standard will be the difference between 2nd place and 3rd place. I wasnt bothered about any cups this season, my expectations was to concentrate at going up the leagues but playing in a nice way. Any cup run was a bonus. If anything the players, especially the SPL guys, should have more motivation than ever. It would be the managements job to install this and not let them forget the situation the club is in. If they want to play for a Rangers jersey in 2-3 years time when we are on the way back then they should show the motivation when it counts i.e now. If they are still earning SPL standard money and living the lifestyle then how they cant be motivated is beyond me. TBH from the fans point of view, how many was motivated for a match against Kilmarnock or St Mirren when we were in the SPL? I said this last season and at the start of this season. But it looks like he cant even get basics correct. If we were seeing things on the park which could click eventually (like what Liverpool fans are seeing this season) then yes you would be right here. But go back 18 months and with a strong squad which had won the league he was getting knocked out by 2 european sides I can barely remember (Maribor was it?). If Ally is to stay on I just hope he strengthens up his management team with some experience, that could be the key to him making himself a success. I see your point RE Ferguson, but everyone inside Old Trafford like Bobby Charlton has always said they saw the long term plan being put in place. Also Ferguson had done amazing things with Aberdeen so probably deserved more of a chance.

That will come back to bite him. Just the same as his sporting integrity and he was still trying to strips titles a few weeks ago. And where is the sporting merit in making the rules up as you go along. Not even changing it half way through a season but 8 weeks from the end.

They were heading the right way until Big Eck got hold of them.

6 wins out of 6 and just won away at Hull and now 5th in the league. Fantastic return for him. Talk about someone who gets his teams playing to their max!! Id take Davies in an instant right now. Id still prefer to go continential again but if we go Scottish then Davies is up there.

Hope the Bo'Ness do you a win Cammy. In the other big game QPR just nip ahead at Villa. 0-1 Jenas. Did fancy QPR today, Villa are in a false position, they should be worse off. Already up today with Everton beating Man City.

Actually I was going to add "all the best to him for the future" and I do. But there is millions far worse off than him and its not as if he is ill. Your thinking I wished bad on the guy which isnt true, he was a bad signing, end of. And poor comparison with Durrant...Durrant was a player and a half. Kyle wasnt ever anything other than a poor mans Kris Boyd, even when he was picked by Berti Vogts for Scotland fans were baffled....so what ever genius (or should I say ingenius) idea that McCoist got to think he'd be born again and rediscover some sort of Alan Shearer type career was pretty flawed.

Says it like he doesnt know what technical stuff they do. Obviously did his homework on Elgin so reshuffled the team worrying about them.....

Again bad management. Handing a contract to a player who retired with injury

Didnt think the guy would ever kick a ball for us. He was practically retired last year due to injury. He should never have been signed.

A couple of statements from Ally that are a bit worrying. I normally can see the reasoning argument but Im afraid if he thinks the players are currently as fit and prepared as they could be then he is in the wrong job.

The full restructure is a mess. Weeks ago I suggested if they want 12-12-18 they have to from current set up to a 16-10-16 system for 1 season to make it fair for promotion and relegation purposes then play for the 12-12-18. Its shambolic. If they go with what the public want 18-12-12 then none of it matters, we go into the middle tier of 12. How on earth they will push it through for this summer is beyond me, they have to put a plan on the table at the start of a season so all teams know what is at stake.

Its not a new thing, its only became an issue since it happened to us. Meadowbank, Clydebank, Airdrie and Gretna have all gone and been reformed in 1 way or another. In Meadowbank / Livingstons case it was successful for them as Livingston hit the ground running. Dunfermline will be one of the bigger clubs to go but would imagine they will be reformed in some way and have to start at the bottom.

But do you genuinely feel we'd start winning things straight away mate? As it stands I think we'd have an poor first season where we'd get beat quite a lot. Even in the SPL last season when going into Admin I thought it would rally us but we lost at home to Hearts and Inverness didnt we? Combined with the team we have and lack of confidence in Ally at top flight id see us having 2 years of finishing around 4th. Financially I dont think we'd be near the CL group stages so income wise we'd be relying on Europa League and again I dont think we'd make the group stages for at least 2 seasons. Where as getting there through the leagues and building up a head of steam would fit the timing just right. We werent ready for Div 3 at the start of the season and we're not ready for SPL this summer. 2nd season in a row where we dont know where or who we are playing! How can we prepare for that? My reasons for rejecting isnt to give them the middle finger its every bit as much down to fact we arent ready and sporting intergrity. We opted for Div 3 last season, 80% of fans were for it and that means Div 2 next season and I say we continue that. As I previously said had the reason for returning to the SPL been on genuine reasons and was on the cards earlier then yes Id go. If we want to increase revenue by much higher amounts then we should push on with the move to England.

Good times for viewers in Asia like myself especially with the clocks changing in a few weeks. I mentioned in last weeks preview we could have clinched the title this weekend but as it is losing has set it back to one of these 4 games.

Ally just doesnt seem to know how to gel and mix new players in and improve them. Its an area where he has never had experience. As Scotland assistant he was used to the squad available and as assistant to Walter his job would have been to make the new guys feel at home. There is where once again he needs a stronger experienced No.2 like Ray Wilkins to help gel players in.

Usually they do the draw for quarters and semi's. Obviously with no English teams they dont need the old sticky balls. Malaga v Borussia Dortmund PSG v Barcelona Real Madrid v Galatasary Bayern Munich v Juventus Bayern v Juve is the pick of the round. Ive fancied Dortmund to win it since the group stages so I'll stick by it. Got to fancy the 2 German teams and 2 of the 3 Spanish sides. Semi's of Dortmund, Barca, Real and Bayern. Could be all German and all spanish semi's or final.

Away goals should def be ruled out after 90 mins of the 2nd leg. It gives the away side an extra 30 mins to score a goal. Spurs 3-0 Inter Inter 3-0 Spurs , 4-1 aet finishing 4-4.

It might end up being more beneficial to us short term. But its not even close to being a good enough reason. If the SPL and SFA were coming out with "we were wrong / you shouldnt have went into Admin / your transfer embargo was wrong / we should never have went after your titles / you shouldnt be in Div 3....and on and on and on" and if was about the wrong doings they did and were trying to correct them then I can see the reason for going back to the SPL if invited. Up until as recent as 2 weeks ago they were still trying to strip titles. But all of sudden there could be an invite because there is no TV deal for next season and 2 clubs are close to shutting down (with how many next season who knows!). Its a no for me. If we were in the SPL next season something would happen and we'd get blamed for it. I say we stick to our guns and go up the leagues our own way. FWIW I think the 12-12-18 has already been decided, they just have to find a way of getting through. And I do think we will be in the 2nd league of 12 therefore playing SPL 1 sides when the ludicrious split starts.

Agreed. And what player is going to join on short term deals. We'll sign more of the same and be stuck with them on 3 year contracts. Right now we are planning for 3 seasons in the SFL signing players to get us up the leagues then improving the standard of players when the time is right. If we are all of a sudden in the SPL we're left wasting wages on the players we have now who arent good enough for the SPL. However the other side of the coin is that these players MIGHT be good enough and improve under a manager who's training and coaching improves players. So are we then stuck with a manager who isnt good enough for the SPL? I cant believe people would accept going back to the SPL in a few months time to save the skin of others and not based on the wrong doings against us last year. Lets be honest the sole reason to propell Rangers back to the SPL is finance and nothing else. If it was genuine reasons then it would have been on the table months ago!!

And then CG applies to the Blue Square league and the greed is pulled away from them and all these teams dont know what hit them.