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We should have wrapped the league up already. As I say time and time again I'm not sure if people realise just how dreadful Celtic are.

Tried googling but can't find any site thats got a record of all our different jerseys, or at least recent ones. What year did we wear the chequered blue McEwans Lager top with umbro as our make. Any ideas? And while I'm at it I thought I could turn this topic into a collection of all out different kits, presuming such a thing hasn't been done.

If a better manager got the money Mowbray got (eg someone like O'Neil) they'd be a mile better and probably much better than us.

I quite enjoy his riddles

Both you and Super Ally are boring apologists with your heads in the sand so I'll groan all I want. The only difference is he makes his points concisely whereas you type entire documents repeating the same boring nonsense.

A great goal can still involve bad goalkeeping. I get the picture, you back everyone in the team until the end etc. Tone it down a bit though. Your the resident apologist on here.

We have one of the biggest supports in Europe and ARE one of the biggest clubs. For that reason alone we should be far better than we are. We don't have a god given right to be the best but if we had done the correct markerting and developed the appropriate infrastructure in previous seasons then we would be in a far better state. So players in Scotland are shite, yes we know that. Do what other clubs in our position do and get cheap players from other countries. We've tried that many times often to little success. Why? Because we have no scouting network to speak of which is a fucking joke. Once we start getting good enough players we'll be able to generate proper money.

You need to learn to read what people and stop responding with cryptic comments that make no sense. I never said we were close to administration. I was making the point that there is currently such a lack of competition in the SPL that the economic state we're in is irrelevant. Our women's team could have probably given Mowbray's Celtic a run this season. I never said we were close to administration.

The only crap anyones taking is the Rangers support for having to watch him play.

By saying I'd take a couple of bad seasons, I mean I'd have taken a couple of seasons where we maybe focused on youth and new ideas and saved some cash. Focused more on matters off the park than those on them. We basically should have completely gutted the club several seasons ago and started afresh. Instead, this is still to happen. Instead of dealing with what needed to be dealt with we have just dragged ourselves from season to season. The entire club needs to basically redesign itself. Hopefully this will happen by default when new owners come in. I just hope they are a hell of a lot better at running a football club than SDM. Walter was only meant to be here as a stop gap but he's still here? We got rid of him in the 90's because it was agreed he didn't have the ability to take us any further. Talk about devolution.

Maybe he's also suffering from the Lovenkrands syndrome - a decent stiker wasted out wide on the left despite shocking performance after shocking performance. On second thoughts, no I think Lafferty is just pish.

Yes, Eck played a 4-4-2/4-2-4 for a period with two attacking players out wide, leaving us often exposed in the middle of the park. Rarely in modern football do sides regularly play a traditional 4-4-2 with two strikers and two wingers/attacking players on the flanks. If they do so, they'll have 2 very strong central midfielders capable of defending and holding their own and Eck didn't have this. In 02/03 though he had a lot of success with a midfield 4 containing Ferguson and Arteta in the middle, Ricksen on the right (he could attack and cut inside to support the central midfield) and Lovenkrands wide on the left. this was a formation that was versatile and could become a 4-3-3 on the attack. Especially with De Boer often playing a free role off a main striker. The best example I can think of of successful midfield 4 in recent seasons is the Man Utd midfield of Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Beckham. One out and out winger (Giggs) and 3 players who can play in the middle of the park. Keane in defensive mid, Scholes attacking and Beckham on the right. Walter's current midfield is a bit of a mess. Playing players in their proper positions would be a start, namely Lafferty. PS - Super Ally, the smug posts you keep making of this nature are very boring. I remember an almost identical one recently saying that because James Milner played part of a match at full back for England it showed that Rangers fans were hypocritical to moan about Smith playing people out of position....or some bullshit.

We could be in administration and still be top of the league. Being top of the SPL with a Celtic side as poor as that doesn't really prove much.

He scores so rarely that he probably put weeks of preperation into it. Or maybe given his price tag he dreamed up one possible way he could rip the pish even more.

I wouldn't say we're terrible. Limited though, certainly. As I said a month ago in this topic when we were in such good form: It will do for just now. But I want some hope for a better future. For us to be more than just a side that beats a very poor Celtic side in the league. I'd like to see plans to build a proper infrastructure at the club. Proper scouting, coaching, youth development etc. Then build an organised side with an emphasis on short passing and good football that easily put on a show against the dross in the SPL but then also be able to challenge other European clubs of a similar stature. The quarter finals in the champions league should be a realistic goal for a club of our size. Since the end of the season 2002/03 we seem to have been in a continuous cycle of financial meltdown and rebuilding team the entire squad. I'd have happily taken a couple of bad seasons if I could see us finally bringing the club up to the 21st century and building a good squad. By now we should be very secure financially with a lower debt and already much further developed on other fronts. The only progress we've really made in these seasons is having a fairly decent SPL level side. Walter has easily won the league this season and he possibly will next. But we are nowhere near the level we should be at and any decent side in Europe would beat us, as demonstrated in the CL this season. PS - I'm not sure if people are aware how easy we've had it in the league this season. Take Robbie Keane out the Celtic side and they really wouldn't look out of place at the bottom of the championship in England.

Many top players have failed in England. It's a league that doesn't suit everyone and it isn't the be end and end all. The premiership is full of a lot of mediocrity and has quite an aggressive style. Diego Forlan was horrific in the premiership but in the 6 seasons in Spain since leaving he's been one of the best strikers in the world.

Aye, Lovenkrands was great out wide on the left . Lovenkrands is a quality striker/forward and one of the many attackers we've had in recent seasons to bizarrely get wasted out wide in a midfield 4 despite constant anonymous performances. After the way he's played for Newcastle this season no way could we afford him anyway.

I fail to understand much of what cannonball says to be perfectly honest but at least he has his own opinions which I respect.

Erm...try adding up what the top 4 or 5 teams in England have spent collectively in comparison to the top few in the other main leagues . Yes the most expensive players largely play in Spain and Italy but thats because the best players tend to play there. You mention Barcelona. Yes they spent big on Zlatan but much of their squad is homegrown and the team that destroyed Man Utd in the CL final last season cost a fraction of what the United team cost. Also, mid club teams in England spend sickening money on players. Roy Keane spend near �£100m at Sunderland largely on medioctrity. Compare that to what mid table clubs in Spain, Italy etc spend. Clubs at the bottom of the premiership can outspend a lot of big European clubs. PS - To put my point very simply, if you were to total up the expenditure on players in all the leagues in Europe in the previous 5-10 seasons England would dwarf every other nation by a mile.

I fail to really see the advantage of any fan involvement at board level other than accountability - ie stopping another Murray type figure single handidly doing what he wants and almost destroying the club. What does the typical Ibrox punter know about running a football club? Nothing whatsoever. It's complicated business in difficult economic times and I couldn't care less who our owners/board support as long as they run the football club efficiently and effectively.

Yeah, playing well against St Mirren doesn't really prove anything. He hasn't looked half the player at Rangers as he did at Killie. BUT, he is another attacking player who's played every position other than defence/in goals and hasn't had a decent run in this proper position. He is a deep lying forward, ideally behind a main striker in a 4-4-2 or on the left or right or a 4-3-3/4-5-1. He certainly does not fit in a midfield 4 and is wasted there. I had really high hopes for him. He looked the brightest creative Scottish prospect since James McFadden and seemed to have wonderful potential. Maybe he's a bit like Derek Riordan in that he looks great for a poorer side but fails to make the grade at a bigger level? Either way he wouldn't be the first talented Rangers player to have his career ruined by constantly being played out of position

This game conveyed much of my thoughts about the current Rangers team and Walter, much as the Scottish cup final against Falkirk last season. The first half again showed to be a pretty damn limited football team and the standard of football on offer can be rather rotten at times. Our central midfield of Thomson and McCulloch are plodders with little great talent and again we have no natural width. Boyd and Miller will continue to do well in Scotland but will never cause any continental sides any problems. But we're still organised and strong for our domestic league. We're far superior to any team in Scotland at the moment but there really is no half decent opposition. If Martin O'Neil had stayed at Celtic things would be rather different.

Super_Ally is a bit of a broken record. We've been solid this season domestically and will deservedly win the league but we literally have no competition whatsoever. We were shown up in Europe to be limited.

As crazy as it may sound I'd also like to have some sort of european aspirations, at least having a go at getting to the last 16 of the CL (a realistic aim for a club of our size) and Weir's not fit for that level anymore. The SPL is such a dire league that the champions league games are something rare to look forward to. We don't even have a half decent Celtic side to compete with anymore. I'd offer him a new contract as a player/coach. He'd still get plenty games in the SPL.

When Lafferty plays on the left we'd be as well playing with 10 men so I don't understand why Beasley hasn't featured more.