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Hutton successfully managed to silence the booing majority , the vast majority of fans would have gladly given him away for nothing the previous season

would help if he was given a run in his chosen position , he was excellent in europe two season's back and has the knack of scoring goals , however wattie would much prefer to play players such as McCulloch , before younger players. Until wattie leaves we will be subjected to more of the same next year , was speaking to the organiser at one of the biggest south side supporters clubs on Monday and he said they have lost mega members as fans who have been going for years are just not willing to put u'p with the same old rubbish again next season and were going to pick their games very carefully , seems a very simillar story amongst other clubs . Murray will have to wake up to the fact that he is killing this club by 1000cuts and I hope that at the STS meeting whenever that takes place , this point is forceably made , fans who have been season ticketholders , shareholders for years can no longer accept the downsizing . I was a season ticket holder for 25 years but Kaunus finally did it for me . and I haven't renewed ,and nothing that I am hearing from inside Ibrox is making me regret that decision

Frankie for this to work all the fans groups must pull together on this and not be splintered off as always happens . The We Deserve Better campaign was an excellent campaign but because certain journalist were fed the usual morsels from Murray's plate was bye and largely dismissed as the workings of a small minority group of dissidents from the RST , instead of actually drawing out a debate on the points it raised . So whilst setting the standard is another brilliant initiative we need to bring a focused look at what is best for the club we all love and if that means using some of the We deserve better campaign then so be it

I really hope this is taken forward , however my initial reaction is tempered by the fact that the RSA is where it is going to be discussed , as of yet I have still to hear one single positive thing to come froward from them , and what exactly does this forum(rsa) have the power to do

Doesn't really matter to me whether it's a pr stunt or not , if there's any credibility or not, like after Manchester in a matter of weeks the feel good factor starts to deteriorate , and the less is more begins , prepare for mediocrity and if they deliver any players it will feel like a bonus

easy tiger , all I can say is god bless asos shorts !!!!

That's another 180 miles done this week , yesterday and today was 62,and 68 miles , next week it's oban (95miles) on Saturday and back on sunday , the sooner this trip starts the better :(

But the whole problem is we are not set up for success , our whole bonus system was made up on the hoof and with the assumption that we were always going to get knocked out in the next round. we has a situation where we made more money than any other season yet made a loss partly due to excessive bonuses , that is completely unacceptable in any business

Bluedell .I may be wrong on this but I was always under the impression we were just under the 50,000 average for c/l games . The figures I was always quoted by those inside ibroox was they banked on �£6 million when corporate was taken into account . I realise there are costs however all the figures that we generally quote are all top line anyway . Also the figures quoted for getting out the group stages are not inclusive of tv revenue , that is only figured out , when the location of the teams are known and the percentages can then be worked out per country

Bluedell will our ticket revenue not be higher , with 3 matches at roughly �£30 each plus what we must take in via corporate I would have thought that �£4million was a wee bit conservative. Also do you think that after the fiasco of the players bonuses for the uefa cup run , what are the odds that Bain has managed to sort this out , I'm all for the players profiting from success but not at the clubs expense ...

I posted a question re-the tv money and this was the reply , very clever people over on Bert,s site . Are you talking about the Europa League or the Champions League? The €7.1M figure relates to the Champions League & is only for "participation". How much Scottish clubs will get from the market pool depends entirely on the value of their own TV market compared to all the others. Since new contracts were negotiated everywhere with some going up & perhaps others going down it's therefore impossible to say for sure. But Celtic & Rangers combined got €6.453M in 2007-08. If they keep the same percentage of the whole (2.36%) this would increase to €8.04M The Europa League figures for participation are much smaller - as would be the market pool. Since this is the first time the market pool has been shared by all 48 clubs I wouldn't like to guess how the €60M allocated for this might be shared out.

Taken from Bert Kassies site According to Marko Vjetrovic who is the president of Partizan Belgrad and a member of the European Club Asscociation (ECA) the prize money for the UEFA club competions will increase. UEFA Champions League 2009/2010: Bonus for domestic champion: 200.000 € * 1st qualifying round: 130.000 € * 2nd qualifying round: 130.000 € * 3rd qualifying round: 130.000 € * Playoffs: 2.100.000 € * Group stage: 7.100.000 € Group match victory: 800.000 € Group match draw: 400.000 € 1st knock out round: 3.000.000 € Quarter-finals: 3.300.000 € Semi-finals: 4.200.000 € Final: 5.500.000 € Winning the final: 3.500.000 € * = These payments were only awarded to the clubs which quould not qualify for the UEFA Champions League group stage! Therefore Celtic do not get the 130,000 euros plus 2.1million euros plus the group stage money , that would be what they get should they get knocked out ( hopefully ) The remaining balance of € 341 million will be distributed according to the proportional value of each TV market, i.e. € 750,7 milion will be distributed from the group stage onwards (five times more than in the UEFA Europa League). UEFA Europa League 2009/2010: 1st qualifying round: 90.000 € 2nd qualifying round: 90.000 € 3rd qualifying round: 90.000 € Playoffs: 90.000 € Group stage: 1.000.000 € Group match victory: 140.000 € Group match draw: 70.000 € 1st knock out round: 200.000 € 2nd knock out round: 300.000 € Quarter-finals: 400.000 € Semi-finals: 700.000 € Final: 2.000.000 € Winning the final: 1.000.000 € The remaining balance of € 60 million will be distributed according to the proportional value of each TV market, i.e. € 150,36 milion will be distributed from the group stage onwards. UEFA Supercup 2009: Loser: 2.000.000 € Winner: 2.500.000 € Please note that as stated above the money quoted does not include our share of tv revenue for Scotland

many thanks mate , if only I had a quid for every time :giruy::much appreciated . as promised I will give the approximate route and schedule , Day 1 john o'groats to inverness 123.3 miles Day 2 Inverness to Tyndrum 114 miles Day 3 Tyndrum to Kilmarnock 90.2 miles Day 4 Kilmarnock to gretna 92.6 miles Day 5 Gretna to Kirkby lonsdale 96.6 miles Day 6 Kirkby to whitechurch 110.2 miles Day 7 Whitechurch to Cheltenham 109.4 miles Day 8 Cheltenham to Tiverton 131.6 miles Day 9 Tiverton to Pars Sand 82.9 miles Day 10 Pars Sand to Lands End 66.1 miles However we are aiming for 7 or at most 8 days and as we are at the moment averaging 15.6 miles per hour on our training runs , which average from 30 up to 95 miles . this should be ok . To be honest I just want to get started as the training runs though ok soon get on your tits especially the amount of time you have to give up , I'm very lucky that my family are totally supportive , but role on july , cheers bears

I will do a wee bit more of a detailed plan later on today , cheers for the support guys

Many many thanks guys , we will be doing this from the 18th of july hopefully it will take no more than 7 or 8 days . we have been training pretty well and are over the 2000 miles mark already . All the guys on our team , have suffered in some way either directly or through the loss of friends , due to this disease so hopefully we will reach our target . I was asked by GS on follow follow if I would do a wee blog as the trip progressed , so if anyone was interested i would do the same on here . Just let me know, anyway many thanks again guys

Until we shift players , Gow , Adam , Ferguson , MacGregor etc I cannot see us bringing in anyone

It very well could be , Raymond certainly has family in that trade , though he has been out it for years and now has bars such as madness in the city center and the mega bar out near coatbridge / hamilton way

Hi guys , i realise that you are asked to dig deep all the time , well this time I am asking for your support . In July myself and 3 friends are Cycling from John O'Groats to Land's End , in aid of Cancer Research , just short of 960 miles in hopefully 8 days. If you can spare a few quid it will be gratefully recieved at the following site . http://www.justgiving.com/end-end09 many thanks bears

great thing about this site wilkie is you dont need anti depressants after reading the threads !!!!!

ehhhhhhhh!! , that's either the best cleverest post in history or a load of bollocks :flipa:

absolutely brilliant article , shows what should be getting done by those in charge , well done to all concerned

Walter smith is Murray's last throw of the dice and I totally agree with Frankie that we are no further ahead than when Murray took over 20 years ago , I really believe that we are just stumbling from one disaster to another , no leadership , no vision , a support so apathetic that it is unbelievable , and a team that continually is set out with players in positions that are so obviously alien and uncomfortable to them , duncan ferguson at left wing , big basil at right back , hmmmm who was the tactical genius behind those decisions !!!!!!!!!!!

In all my years on various rangers forums I dont think I have ever came across anyone with as big a hardon for themselves as you , were you bullied as a kid or do you just refuse to accept other peoples points of views , also the negativity you post with no allternative's offered is staggering ,you sound like a very lonely wee man

Right to start with I think he speaks from the heart but also speaks very well , doesn't get involved in the smaller details but can see the much bigger picture and isn't afraid to say it like it is ,now as a life time member of the trust you might expect me to say all of these things but I have been highly critical and I hope frankie would back me up on this , on the way some of his associates have conducted themselves recently. Murray must go of that there can be no arguement , his near 20 year tenure has actually put us way behig celtic and as much as that is unpalatible it is true' we need a strong voice in opposition to put pressure on murray as his weakness is personal humiliation , and I aint talking about whips and oranges

How do the regular and respected posters on this site view david edgar , what is your position on the rst , frankie your exempt from this , just interested