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Have closed all my lloyds accounts and given the reason why , probably wont make any difference but if there is a fans backlash you never know. It is very apparent that there is a stand off between the bank and potential new owners

Dont know if this has anything to do with it , but they were working on the site , they were replacing or upgrading the RAM , they had announced there would be downtime tonight

The end game is upon us , hopefully this will all be done and dusted very quickly then we can get back to being a football club again

If as is being suggested Dave King is actually in negotiations with Lloyds then what we are seeing is political posturing and pressure being applied on Lloyds , and if again as is being suggested they are not for reducing their price re-the debt then this is a who blinks first game . the one thing that is apparent is that Murray is basically out the picture totally , either because he has agreed a price with King or else he has waived his shareholding as is being suggested in the evening times

I think that , that will be after agreement with Murray is reached on the sale price of his shares , the Debt is a seperate issue and from what I can gather it is the wrangling between King and LLoyds that is holding up any sale

And how bad may it really get if we dont win the league this year before our coeficcient drops and we have one team in the qualifiers

Nothing because we have an apathetic support who believe that the club will never be allowed to fold , or even better there is a big secret millionaire about to save us , both bollocks we are in a shit state and no one is coming to the rescue

Bluedell the majority are clinging on to hope like a limpet , the majority cannot comprehend how bad this situation actually is , believing that Rangers will never be allowed to fold never mind fall , the reality is no one Know's, only after Murray is purged and the money trail is investigated will the truth actually come out for the money is the story , this is the worst I have ever felt as a fan in over 30 years not even rotten teams compare to this , we truly are at a crossroads

Andy in some strange way you actually hit a very raw nerve , many many fans in fact the majority myself included always believed that Rangers Fc would never be allowed to get in this position never mind possibly go into administration . However is this actually in this resetion hit times a reality , does the money trail that is MIH actually mean we are in danger and if so does anyone outwith the Rangers support actually give a four X , we always heard that the Rangers support would never let it happen well reality is here and we have let it happen will the apathy that prevaides throughout us actually mean we will do nothing . Today in Liverpool there was meant to be a march of approx 10,000 fans against the owners , not the manager or the players but the owners who have allowed Benitez to squander millions on duds , yet a few hundred fans try and protest against Murray and they are shouted down and abused by Murray's henchmen/supporters , why do we not deserve better. When the RST came away with the "WE Deserve Better " campaign they were shouted down by many , even on here including Frankie who I do not accuse of having anything but Rangers best interests at heart , however how much of what the RST wanted has been addressed , nada , zero , zilch yet we are at a position that I have never believed would happen in my lifetime , our club is being hawked around like a cheap whore to the biggest bidder , a very very sad day and hopefully tomorrow it will be all a nightmare caused by the wine I am drinking

Walter Smith , as much as I criticise him for some football matters , is no one's fool and always conducts himself with the dignity and style associated with Rangers Manager , so for him to come out and basicaly call Bain and or Johnstone of lying is amazing , the end game is a foot for Murray's reign , but what the future holds god only knows

No worries I would say sweet dreams , but more like horrible never ending nightmare

We really are at the end game , the fat lady is about to start singing and even if we win the league we dont earn enough to stop making a loss , I cannot agree any more with your points above , no vision , no stratedgy , no future

ok I accept that your choice of glamour games is the c/l , o problem with that , however what exactly is the point in even bothering if we cannot compete and even worse cannot even do the basics , why even attempt to compete . Its only a glamour tie in my mind if we are at a level that we have a good chance of achieving something and the only time that that has happened was under Advocatt IMHO sorry but the rest of the time we were just bailing the club out of trouble , something we have been doing all decade

sorry mate whilst I admire your dedication , you must see that we have a board of directors that dont give a flying fuck about you , and exactly what glamour games are you talking about , in over 30 years we have had maybe 3 good european runs , we have been to some really big teams just to make the numbers up whilst getting royally humped regularily by teams like tonights , whom I may add won their first ever european tie , get real !!!!!!

I actually felt like my heart had been ripped out of my body , and the worst thing was all the anger and frustration that I used t feel when I was younger just wasn't there any more , it was more a realisation that this is what we have become , watching a team that is badly managed from top to bottom , with no vision , no real sense of being or of purpose , I mean really what is the point on Rangers Football Club as we stand just now , we really are treading in a sea of quicksand and we are going in one direction only

Wattie has continually talked about building a team around his best striker yet doesn't play him , we have one proper center half supplemented with a 39 year old , we continually play players out of position wide right and wide left whilst youth is a waste of time , if I was John Flecks advisors I would be looking for any way out asap as its only a matter of time till we waste him

But you miss the point, we lack the very basics , that every other small team from all over europe have in abundance , the ability to pass and move , to control the ball and move your opponents about to create chances . Firstly we dont even play to our own teams strength's , we continually play players out of position and whilst unfit , we have no belief in youth and never have , the basic tactical ideas that we watch every week even from smaller scottish teams is something that bypasses us , we have no creative spark from set plays and even throwins cause us problems , their first goal came from our throw in that we lost control of .

Why the hell do we continually have to have legends drumming into players what it means to play for Rangers , I would settle for simply getting good players and teaching them good drills to improve on the tacticts that the team attempts to play . Instead we keep going back to this drivel about our club being special when it is plain to see we are not , for fuck's sake we have just been humiliated by a team from a city with a population of 17000 , this was their first ever win in europe, we were absolutely useless , the basics have been missing all season , we beat celtic woohoo , europe must be trembling. Quick get into another league and throw money at the team , never mind addressing the problem

very very well put , we need to remember we are meant to be a football club first and all the other stuff isn't really important in the bigger picture as far as I am concerned

I am utterly ashamed to say this , but for the first time ever in over 30 years I left early , we were utterly useless , no shape , no desire , no tactical ability . The basic's of passing and movement , the ability to recieve and give a pass whilst aware of what is happening around them is totally alien to this bunch of players . Yes we may be able to do it for small spells of certain games but we lack the basics and that is where we fall short in the training department . Walter may be and probably is a legend but he is also a dinasour , his belief that , and I quote " tactics are overrated , modern players just need a good enviroment to play in " , utter pish , but that's his beliefs , he is the man who has spent over �£20 million on this team

As someone who was a seaso ticket holder from 84 till 2007 , yes and unfortunately I cannot see it getting any better .Partly our fault poor scouting , no vision and preparation when we were well on top , and partly the league we are in . However no matter what league we are in there is no excuse for the way we play the majority of times , from set play's to general movement at times we seem a million miles off , must be the management and that is no cheap dig I mean that

cant find that thread , when was it posted , approx

Have to say I totally agree with your comments , I always believed the RSA were set up to diminish any form of strength that the RST was gathering, Murray aint stupid

Is this instead of the club paying or part paying for the running of the RSA , to be honest I think we might end up with too many supporters groups and I done really know what the RSA actually stand for .

Definetly I actually sent this idea to the trust a couple of years ago , but they were in the midst of really bad rerlations with the club so I dont know if it was ever proposed . I also thought about every season ticket holder being offered the chance to join the trust through the same means as you proposed , it just takes a bit of imagination on the clubs part