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Just a thought , but how the hell would you go about removing or at least changing the SFA higherarchy , the biggest and most corrupt quango ever , apart from Peat and Smith I dont know any of them

spanner the banks are calling in loans where companies cannot cover their investments , negative equity anyone

Property is only a good investment if you can finance your loans , spanner does't believe that Murray is taking a spanking because it's the banks money that's why he's about to take a �£20 million hit on a grade 10 building that he has fully leased for the next 5 years , yes sounds like really good business sense there from Murray , doesn't sound like the bank are interfering at all , not !!!!! Also craig you are right , at this present moment property is probably one of the best investments you could make , if your a buyer , certainly not as a sellar

Just watched Smith on SSN , possibly the most embarressing interview ever

It's amazing when you speak about changing kids football or about coaching , the vast majority of replies I get are , well it was ok for me or the kids are just lazy , what they dont realise is that it's not that we are lazy or less skillful it's just that every other country has moved on , we are stuck in the 50's , the sooner the powers that be realise this the better

He may have played the bank at their own game , but my god he has had a serious spanking , I dont know what other reports you are reading or what your brother is telling you but from what I am hearing he is proper F****D . As for his achievements , anyone can play property god with other peoples money , that is the main difference between Murray and Hunter , at the first signs of this Hunters got rid of all his property , he may have taken a hit on the shares but these will recover , unlike Murray

But that line would apply to 99% of the people mentioned already so it's a mute point

Totti you might not read any of the scottish press but many do , worldwide and online as well , public perception is very much part of our problem, the continual drip drip of lies until those lies become the truth has been happening for years and with no one from the club speaking out , Murray's mantra of a dignified silence has never been a policy hat would work against a media that has an anti rangers agenda , surely you can see that

Yes and this article says that Silverburn is attracting bids as well , no mention that the holding company have been put to the sword by HBOS , like I said this guy has no interests in football , and when he told me they were being forced to sell this property for potentially �£20 million below what would have been expected it certainly raises suspicion , remember this was a grade 10 property , you dont get any better listing . Come on spanner you are holding onto the well used Murray line a wee bit too tightly , it's time to let go and see the light , walk away from the dark side young vader :box::box::box:

As our Chairman said , no one wants to play poker with Rangers as the stakes

Do you really see the press having the free run that they currently enjoy if Souness was running the show , far too many of our "media friends " are only too happy to have a go now as they see a possible end game arriving and dont want to miss an open goal

On a wee side note , one of my best friends is a commercial surveyor who specializes in freelance work , he prefers it that way it means he can piss off to the golf whenever he wants , anyway this guy has no interest in footbal what so ever ,so whats the deal , well this morning whilst out walking the dogs he starts telling me how business is absolutely terrible now that HBOS and LLoyds have started playing hard ball with everyone , the have put the guy who built Silverburn into Liquidation as they have called in his loans and this is what I found interesting they have forced Murray to sell the buildiing he bought beside the Old Albany hotel which Murray had refurbished and which has already been fully let on a 5 year lease , as well as forcing him to sell a plot he owns at the top of Buchanan street which is seen as the last prime spots of real estate on Buchanan street . Just goes to prove Murray really must be in the grubber , the building in question is going for �£ 70 million , yet if left to ride out the recession would be worth easily �£90 million , his words not mine

Or even better if our Chairman made a statement of intent at the AGM and had members of the main fans groups on the stage when he made then , but then if Carlserg did AGM's

Frankie from my own limited use of this site and various other "smaller" sites , the biggest and probably best thing I can say is that these sites encourage debate where as FF has for a few years now strangled and derailed anything from the " party line" , whatever the party line is at any one time . I had set views on the RST , on rangers in general and on various other matters related to our once great club , the debate on here does not allow you to rest on your laurels if you cannot back your arguement up , in fact the way some debate their points on here at times you or rather I feel a bit stupid for even posting some of the things I have . All of this is healthy , you dont get people running away screaming timposter if they dont agree with your point of view , there is nothing healthy about posting rubbish and before you know it that rubbish becomes the accepted , drip drip drip anyone , sound familliar to another problem we have . Back to the main point , this site can never be described as having anything other than the best intentions with regards what we all come on here to talk about which is Rangers , however what I have come to understand is that certain sites namely FF , it's almost as if they are as big as the club and in certain peoples minds obviously as important , the RST had a campaign of Rangers First , some would do well to remember this and adopt it themselves.

But is that fog of murray's own doing , now that is the question my dear maineflyer

I think this is impossible to gauge , you hear guys talking about having different usernames depending on the site's they go on, there are definetly timposters by the dozen , and FF is infested with them , that's one reason I rarely post just browse on there .so my answer is more than 1 but less than 1,000,000 , sorry but god only knows

Sorry phrased that bit wrong , I was discussing a simillar point with UCB that if the club dont drive this then it's irrelevant what any fans group want or say

Yet the papers were quite happy to state last week that we owed �£9 million for transfers over and above what was disclosed in last weeks financials , the daily mail I think it was

Maineflyer I think you have hit the preverbial nail on the head and as every day goes by more and more are backing away from where we were a few weeks ago , Dave King was going to buy us , then he was part of a consortium , next we had the West of Scotland 4 , then on the day the financials were announced the Florida Billionaire which just happened to go against what AJ was pleading for in the media that anyone interested should make themselves known , now the Souness rumour just because he said he didn't want the Scotland job , even Murray couldn't flim flam this well . As I said earlier and Maineflyer more succinctly pointed out unless the club actually drive this forward and allow any fans group to get behind it we are going nowhere , we cannot successfully change anything without the will of the club

sorry I seem to have missed this point where did this point 1 come from

That is a very very good point and hopefully something that the club would recognise without having to be asked , if they seriously think this years AGM is going to be done and dusted as per they are very much mistaken

This is / was my point it isn't your responsibility to declare peace/unity , it is for the club to enter into dialogue with us the fans through all these many different groups and come up with a concrete workable coherent plan that we can all unite behind , that's the only way we will move forward . When the majority of the non internet browsers get the message that is when the ground swell will begin and you are correct in that there is massive good feeling towards this club that can help via the media you talked of this earlier , but for any of this to happen the club needs to get a grip of where it wants to be , whether they are serious about fans owning the club or whether it is just a smokescreen to try and flush out would be investors .

The RST , Assembly and Association should all be applauded for their actions , and like Frankis alludes to should be getting together to try and get one unified message across , now we have a different leadership at Rangers , Murray is away and from what I have seen and heard from Bain to a certain degree the shackles have been removed . Surely now is the time for the club to work with the support in getting the message out to the high fan base the club holds on file , whether through a mass e-mail , text , clubweb site what ever . Also it should be explained who and what each supporters group actually represents , I as a member of the RST know what their aims and objectives are , well some of them anyway , but as for the Assembly and Association , not a clue . Also what about NARSA they have a hugh fanbase , we are limited only by our own imagination and from what I have seen and read over the last few weeks and even years the Rangers fans are truly in a league of their own . :spl::spl:

Craig I dont think simply changing the elected members would go far enough or even achieve anything perception wise , there are far too many different supporters factions , if you ask any fan at Ibrox who doesn't visit an online site they will just give you a very baffled look , we are far to fragmented and have to come together under one common aim , and that is Rangers , how that is achieved I do not know but the main groups must face up to this and do it pronto

This is so like the debates that started around the end of Wee Dick's tenure when respected posters started really questioniong the viability of our transfer policy only to be shouted down by the MURRAY is God brigade , of which I happened to belong at that time and for my sins , now we have a very simillar situation except you either believe we are in trouble or you believe it is a big scary bogey story by the press , well I have read far too much , and listened to the opinions of friends inside the media to believe this is anything but real , if you continually want to believe everything is hunky dorey then batter at it , your glass will always be full .