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I dont particularily trust polished orators , Tony Blair anyone :) It's more about what they say or rather dont say than the way it is put across , seriously you only need look back at Murray , he was great at AGM but shit at delivering on his promises

Exactly UCB , some of the biggest clubs in Europe are doing it but we are sticking our nose's up at a time when our management team and some of our ( and I say this reservedly) star players are either going out of contract or have no contract , it was pretty pityful from my point of view and I expected better from AJ

To be honest I still cannot believe we still get guys asking about the bloody albion car park and murray park , where do these people come from , I am not trying to come across all smart arsed but for god's sake , also the comment AJ made about Ibrox being not for sale naming wise , very clever and pandered to the crowd for I can never remember in the last few months this ever getting seriously or even stupidly proposed anywhere

The guy from computershare did mention quite a few times that proxy votes did count and then McLelland clicked and stated that even if the majority opposed the re-election the proxy vote ie Murray's would carry the day , he seemed to miss the point of opposing the motion and was way out of his depth , to be honest as they had met yesterday it was the one obvious thing they should have expected and planned for

If it had been handled better then the shambles that followed would have been avoided , I have no truck with John McLelland but his handling and the advice he was geting was bordering on farce at times and could have led to really ugly scenes as tempers were getting very frayed

sorry mate but I had many debates on FF with rst board members on this very question when it all transpired 18 months ago , this committee had the power to oversee and take disciplinary action as it saw fit , that was never denied , in fact it was acknowledged that it's primary role was to make sure the board members at the time did nothing that certain members didn't know about

cheers Frankie just let me know when and where

Frankie what they are doing is what all amangement now do , when asked questions they cannot answer they turn the tables and answer back with a question back making you out to be negative or any other decription you choose to make as long as it is anti them , my company actually send management on courses on how to do this , it's no wonder no one flies from Glasgow anymore oops

The fact is we are where we are and nothing will or can change the past , whilst I agree with maineflyer in that until we get a full expanation on why the current RST board took the decisions they did especially with regards " the special tasks and disciplinary committee " we will forever hold the current incumbents with suspicion , well I will anyway . However nothing that anyone says on here will effect any change amongst the present RST board so best let sleeping dogs lie . More pertinant is how they conduct themselves in the present and the members such as UCB and oneamoruso help restore faith to a certain degree though I still do not fully understand where MD thinks he is going or if he expects to use the RST as a means to an end , only time will tell .

As much as I agree with your inital statement re truth and transparency I am afraid it will be smoke and mirrors , especially in the situation we find ourselves in at present . There is no way we will find anything of importance , in it's place we will get answer's hiding behind legal jargon to do with takeover panels etc . Still i will attend . hopefully since I lost my attendance card with an open mind and forever hopeful , I just hope we dont get the socks or big screen questions

NO not a game the AGM

Say for example some dimwit happened to misplace their attendance card for tomorrows wee shin dig , how in the name of god would i sorry he get in .

sorry cant get this at work , what was the jist of his comments

boss , why should you appologise , why when people are getting led by the nose should you appologise for a very decent resume of our next " king in the making's " business history , why when we dont have a media capable or is that interested in our future should you appologise for making a very well written point bringing into question someone who would ask 45,000 fans to hand over �£1000 each plus a membership fee , not that we dont want fan participation but at what cost . At least someone asked , so why appologise

As the final whistle sounds, many of us will be heading to our Christmas parties - the Rangers Media and RST dinners, on the same night, on the same street, at the same time. Let’s hope we have reason to celebrate and that we all have a ball. Big Fight Big Fight , can we see this on pay per view or have BBC Alba came in with a last minute bid Seriously boss your artice was excellent and certainly took the debate to another level , keep up the good work

it's spanner he's returned from the banished were doomed ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Calscot you may have missed the whole point of my post , in no way was I trying to compare apples with oranges , however the fans back then would not have settled for what we are witnessing now , we are basically in a two horse race every season back then you had Dundee Utd and Aberdeen giving us a doing , and we were nearly in as bad a way back then financially as we are now, I dont know how much a �£6 million debt in 84 equates to in today's money but it's a hell of a lot . Today we are so far infront of other teams it's beyond a joke , we regularily are 20 odd points in front of third place teams and that's when we are having a shit season , yet we are still no further forward when you compare us to ordinary european sides , I do take on board your point about the EPL making every one's view distorted but hey that's the world we live in

Welcome aboard mate , what you say is very true ,but there is also a great deal of apathy about Rangers supporters in general and that has been around since we were spoiled by Murray's first great ten years when everything was possible , NIAR delivered , players arrived and went at a great speed , we were indestructable , even european defeats were allowed in the great NIAR chase , a small few either Number 8 or the Gub wrote in the FF fanzine about the disaster that was about to happen and the majority myself included , oh how we laughed , who's laughing now. I remember the fans protesting against John Greig's teams and outside the stadium , eventually they let their feet do the talking and change happened though that was a different era , the majority fans of today will and have accepted what ever dross is put in front of them and they still return . The online community is very very small and in this community there is and are a small number with way too much of a high opinion of themselves , take your time , read the posts and make your own mind up , however do not be averse to new ideas or even polar opposites , there are many very very clever people on here . However I have one wish above all and that is one day soon we are all posting about the games and the players on the park and the politics are a long long memory

I think this sums up the thoughts and feelings of many maineflyer and the point you make about present RST board members is very succinct , it is very very easy to make constructive critiscism turn into a negative by focusing on personalities ,I see this every day in my organisation where bad managers make any suggestions or well critiscism's into attacks on them as it deflect's and dilutes the point . Management of all types , and Murray was a master of this in his early haydays , made people who critiscized him out to be negative and anti Rangers , and it certainly quietened a lot of journalists , bullshit baffles brains as they say. At present we have an RST board faced with , for possibly the only time , an opportunity to get what they want and we all want Fan ownership . Certain RST members have went further than others , however some are a wee bit more wise , as one quoted on a FF debate tonight , and I have included the whole post in case I am accused of selective posting , the highlighted part is the interesting it. Now I am not on here to stick up for anyone but the posters on here who constructively critiscize the RST board , IMHO are only saying what the poster above is saying and if god help us that happens we are really knackered , we need to stick together but when there is any critiscism from outside FF or even from long established posters the cry goes out , " they have a problem with the RST" , " they would prefer Rangers to fail rather than support us " instead of actually reading what is being posted or listening to the tone of the post . A prime example was Boss's expose of Duffy , now I am no business guru but my wife owns and runs a very successful small manufacturing company and is responsible for finance and though she's knows the square root of heehaw about football she is very savey about company accounts , when she read his article I asked her what her opinion was of Duffy , needless to say it was less than impressive bordering on him being a crook , her words not mine , now the point of this was , instead of reacting in a positive manner and answering these points , what transpired was a hatchet job of not only Boss but just about everyone else that happened to agree with the points raised . My head is totally done in after reading all the various posts from people much smarter than this average bear , but what I do know is we will live or die as a support over this issue , for it has the ability to either split us assunder or alternatively unite us into the support we should be that can drive this club forward to successes not even imaginable a few months ago , the people who sit on the assembly , association and RST must be made aware of their position and the need for their personnal ambitions to be put a side for the greater good . We have a wealth of knowledge out here in webland it should be utilised not derided .

It would be interesting to find out if there has been or even is an increase in RST members since this all started ,the amount of pro RST threads and posts on FF is amazing , just wondered if they were all talk and no action or if they actually felt strong enough to act on what they were hearing and reading

This was the reply from DavidRST when I asked about Duffy , Because his partners wish to remain anonymous doesn't mean we don't know who they are. Similarly, there seems to be an assumption that we didn't know the stuff in that article until we read it. Like I say, we aren't committing to anything or anybody yet. They may not have talked to Duffy but that isn't the inferrence I take from this answer , I might be totally wrong but there you go .

From what I can now gather certain editor's are feeling rather stupid and wondering if they have been duped , likewise wee Daryl is trying to buy himself time by stating " things will develop over the next few weeks " , that's the journalistic term for help I dont have a story but I dont want to look really stupid

We tried that with leGuen and the no money option , need I remind you how that ended up

There's going to be a few nose's out of place with this news , and what's that a wee empire starting to crumble

This is a very good point and one I am surprised our media chums haven't picked up on , you cannot compare what would happen now with the last share issue , as back then everyone had lost face with SDM and that's one reason in my opinion why the shareholders myself included didn't touch it