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sorry but couldn't care less about the big uncle tom , an absolute embarressment of a man never mind a so called ex Rangers legend

with there being 4 old firm games still to go and EHD and snot broon declaring war , can anyone remember the last time such bad feeling was carried over , last one I can think of was Ricksen and Thomson , Ferguson and Di Canio doesn't count as it was a one off

That's one of the points I was trying to expose , how many of those players are already looking at the future and seeing themselves else where , loan signings are never fully committed common sense tells you that . Even simple deals such as Papac's is still unfinished , we are a rudderless ship from above Walter , but the buck is stopping with him . Walter always resorts to type , he will not replace Weir with the young Arsenal boy , that's one reason why we always sit deep , to protect the defence , when we play well we play high up the park and press teams , this season has dissappointment and disaster written all over it unfortunately , and all the blame will be heaped onto Wattie

Well if that turns out to be the case , they haven,t paid �£33 million then , it would be pointless IMHO

For the love of god nooooooooooo

Given that we are yet again in the midst of potential take over talk , one question has always puzzled me , and it's this . Our debt is supposed to be about the �£27 million mark at the last report , and the price for a takeover is �£33 million , now bear with me , what happens to the profit that we will make this year from the C/l , transfer fee's , reduced playing squad , Europa league matches / Tv , and the Scottich cup money . In other words if as is being reported we are taken over by who ever for the reported amounts , does the club then have X amount in the bank for next year .

Now before I go any further this isn't a thread to back up Walter , the management team or anything else like that , I have just taken some time thinking about where we are at present after reading some of the usual knee jerk reaction not just on here but other sites as well . When Walter came back , let's not kid ourselves we were on our knees literaly , financially , players wise ,demoralised and defeated , he gave us our pride back and trophies not forgetting that magical road to Manchester , something I will forever be greateful for , yes ther have been blips along the way ,Kaunus was a major setback , however the financial strings that bind us were loosened as Murray feared greater fans revolt than the usual pathetic attempts by us as a support to protest against him . So after today's game what have we learned and where are we going , what we have learned is that we were poor , we seemed to lack desire and were more than happy seeing the game out , why is another story . Our squad is the weakest just about in living memory , it's filled with older journeymen , promising kids and loan signings , with a smattering of actual scouted players ie Jelavic . The facts are really simple to me , if and when we are actually bought over and the shortsightedness of today's squad building are hopefully behind us , then players will be brought in not just because we can afford them and they will fill a hole in the squad , but because they are right for the team and the way the manager wants to play. EHD had a good game today , but dont kid yourself on ,he was a desperation signing, we found out at 5 pm he was available and that Blackburn would cover the majority of his wages , the management team are getting slaughtered all over the place , but in their shoes how would you react , how would you go about building a side after losing your top goalscorer and not getting the transfer fee , reality time guys the fact we are still in all competitions is IMHO remarkable . Compare that to the taigs , they sold their alleged top player and brought in roughly 14 players , all were scouted , all were brought in intentionally to fit into a plan ,cast aside your opinions on them as a club or a team ,emotions and rivalry always cloud the issue . We brought in Beattie because we thought Jelavic was not going to sign , Weiss is only on loan and flits in and out , we dont really play him in a set position , only Jelavic can be really counted as class . Whether we win this league or not is up in the air , the way things are going and with yet another year of fixture congestion I would put it at 60-40 against , IMHO our only real hope for the future is that we get seperated from Murray asap , I think we all agree on that , whether this guy Whyte is the answer only time will tell , but the thought of reducing the squad further and being unable to offer contracts yet again to our top players frightened me to death . Finally , I hope walter is remembered for what he has done and the great times he has brought us , yes at times his formations are hair pulling , but at this time this bear is glad he is at the helm and I hope for all our sakes that the future is bright ....

Dont you love it when internet rumours get passed as facts later on

these young turks have no staying power pete

Sometimes in football as in life you only miss people when they aint there , McCulloch does the hard part , the ugly part of the game which allows others to do the glamourous bits , very very strange reaction to big Jig , he has been consistently good for us especially since being handed the horrible job in front of the back 4

To get shot of players that didn't feature , Miller apart , get players in that will contribute and be approx �£30,000 per week up on the deal not including Miller's transfer fee is amazing , considering our past efforts . However as I already posted in another thread this continual downsizing but with some success thrown in does nothing for us in the long term , and only further dilutes our ambitions and hopes

And what exactly has that to do with the way we are getting treated by him now , in fact it actually backs up my point , it's not lloyds that are instigating this it's Murray IMHO , the debt gets reduced the asking price , if there is such a thing stays the same , and all the while Lloyds take the blame. The important thing IMHO to remember is that we are making every payement due to lloyds , there is money coming in from just about every game at the moment , this transfer window has just shed another �£1.5 million annually from the wage bill , HMRC haven't even decided if in fact we are due anything at all ,never mind reached any conclusions re an amount .

Nothing so long as you buy into the , it's all lloyds doing , personally this has Murray's paw prints all over it .

I have long argued that it is better to have naturally left footed players on the right and vice versa , they,ve been doing it for years on the continent , much better when cutting inside , it's only here that we still hark on about getti ng to the bye line and crossing for the big striker , those days are long gone

Thought I would take the chance to have a quick over view of where we are and how we may move forward . Firstly what we know or believe we know . 1. We are in debt to the sum of approx �£25 million give or take , we have an agreement to reduce a term loan by �£1million per year and also it is muted reduce our need of an overdraft by a simillar amount depending on who you believe . 2. We have an ongoing issue with HMRC which has yet to even reach the stage of a first tier meeting and as yet no figure/amount has been demanded , in fact as we speak we still dont even know if we have any outstanding amounts to settle . 3.The squad , which was thread bare to start is 3 less than it was , though I would argue we are actually stronger than we were this time yeaterday . Miller will definetly be missed , Velicka nope , Webster nope .Beattie nope and Loy and MacMillan were only taking wages , now we have Healy , Diouf and Bartley , all may be onloan but all will be involved . 4. Taking away from the personalities and everything else , we are also up financially after this window , Healy took a cut in wages to play for us at �£4000 pw , Blackburn were offering to pay for Diouf to go (wages that is ) so I dont see him costing the earth , dont know about Bartley . So all in all we may be up as much as �£40,000 per week up on the deal plus Miller,s transfer fee and the small amount for Loy. 5. Does this actually do us any good in the long run , if we keep challenging , and as it stands ,if we win our games in hand we are top , why would Lloyds or Murray for that matter want to sell us , the debt is getting reduced , we are being successful and the asking price will not be changing , so Murray and Lloyds win we carry on in a groundhog day sort of way . 6. Our ambitions will never be met by the present board at Rangers , because they will never be allowed to spend the money we are bringing in , we are like George Orwell's 1984 , where we are forever fighting a war against unknown , unseen and never heard from enemies , whether it's Murray , Lloyd's or HMRC the battle is always there and our ambitions and hopes are always tempered . In a way its a bit like waking up every morning and being force fed a Valium . So what's the answer ,f**k knows but this is Rangers from 2001 .......every day is groundhog day and this bear is getting worn down by it all .

At least we have options

His body may be fit but his mind will never deal with playing for Rangers

Unbelievably I think we have actually come out of that transfer window stronger , and money wise up on the deal , very strange

one of my friends is best mates with Liam Brady , so I will try and get bthe lowdown on this kid tomorrow

What do you think about the above article , Maineflyer , more regurgitated rubbish

England is going nuts , turn on talksport guys it's hillarious

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/rangers/michael-grant-on-monday-1.1082711 The first suggestion was that Craig Whyte might be able to rush through a takeover and own Rangers in time for Christmas. Then he supposedly wanted to have the reins in time for the January transfer window so he could plough in some funds for signings and an enhanced contract offer to Kenny Miller. Christmas is over, Miller is away, the window closes at 11pm tonight, and still there is no Whyte. Not a peep has been heard and sources have said nothing is likely to change. It is now 74 days since the story broke that he wanted to buy the Ibrox club. It wouldn’t be a surprise to learn that the most pressing matter on Whyte’s mind now is how best to spin his retreat from the Ibrox doorstep. Not much is clear about Rangers’ ownership and information remains contradictory about whether or not the club will end up in Whyte’s hands, but there has been absolutely nothing in their January activity to suggest this is a club on the brink of new ownership. They submitted a bid for David Goodwillie which Dundee United rejected, and that was that. No increase, no bargaining, just a withdrawal from the table. They effectively agreed a fee with Derby County for Kris Commons only to realise they weren’t able to follow it through when he asked for Ã?£20,000-per-week. Whatever impact David Healy may go on to have for them, the fact remains that he wasn’t the first or even second forward on their wanted list. The Commons move said it all. The best Rangers could manage was several thousand pounds per week less than he was able to get from Celtic. If the most Rangers can offer now is about Ã?£14,000-per-week, they risk being outbid by their rivals for any player they might want in the foreseeable future. Agents routinely offer the same player to both clubs (same city, same league, same status of club) and their obligation to do the best they can for a client means they would naturally try to play one club off against the other if it might hike up the wages on offer. The Commons deal might not be the last time Rangers are gazzumped by Celtic. Rangers also risk not being able to keep hold of Madjid Bougherra, Steven Davis and Steven Whittaker, who are all out of contract at the end of next season. All three will believe they can get more money by leaving than re-signing. It’s easy to see all three of them going the way of Kris Boyd and Kenny Miller, departing for little or nothing. Lloyds Banking Group’s aggressive clawing back of the debts accumulated under Sir David Murray have been cold and clinical and still it goes on, relentlessly. Around Ã?£22m of the Ã?£27m debt is owed to Lloyds and they continue to be voracious in trying to get it back. “Whether we think it’s fair or not, it doesn’t really matter because we are not getting any kind of reaction any time we ask about it,” said Walter Smith recently. Lloyds don’t look at the football implications of anything. They aren’t interested in speculating to accumulate, which is why they were unmoved by the case for keeping top goalscorer Miller and increasing the likelihood of winning the league and reaching the Champions League. To Lloyds, Ã?£400,000 for Miller sounded a whole lot sweeter than nothing for him in the summer. They don’t give any ground, no matter how often or how passionately the case is made by Smith or chief executive Martin Bain. Those two must feel they are banging their heads against a brick wall. It isn’t going to change. Lloyds want another cut to the wage bill for next season, another Ã?£1m off the players’ salaries. They see themselves owed a big pile by a club facing reduced television income, the possibility of no Champions League money, and even some reduction in season-ticket sales. They see a possible Ã?£36m bill, plus penalties, from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs tax investigation which might hang over the club for another 18 months or so. They aren’t sitting back, waiting for Whyte or anyone else to pay back the money they’re owed. They’re working to get it back through a thousand cuts. Others won’t shed tears for Rangers. Even Ã?£14,000-per-week is way above what any Scottish club except Celtic can pay. Even after Miller’s departure they have four strikers on the books who cost Ã?£11m in transfer fees alone. They aren’t in this mess because of Lloyds, but because Murray allowed the debt to soar in the first place. It’s just their misfortune that Lloyds are being as brutal as a loan shark when it comes to claiming the money back. If it’s exasperating for Smith and Bain, then what must another central figure be making of it all? What kind of job is Ally McCoist going to inherit in four months’ time? Celtic appointed an inexperienced manager last summer, but crucially they backed him with the money to buy his way out of trouble. Rangers will not be able to do that. McCoist will swell with pride when he becomes manager, but there has never been a worse time to inherit the job he has always wanted.

�£20,000 for a player from the Championship , the worlds gone crazy

Totti only thing I would say about those attendances . they are official and not actual , the game recently against Caley thistle , there was less than 30,000 but the official figure was over 44000

where has this ever been shown , the biggest difference between the clubs financially is they jhave a bigger stadium and they show their shop income as gross on their turnover , I have yet to see anywhere this mythical asian pot of gold