Tannochsidebear

All money due in as at 14 Feb, together with all debts owed out, are frozen inside the oldco, and as such have no bearing whatsoever on the newco. So the SPL paying Hearts our prize money instead of paying it to D&P who then use it to pay creditors equally is actually pretty good for us as we can at least say Hearts got paid in full, which is as it should be i suppose.

Agree with your sentiments, but the £14M was net bank debt, and didnt include trade creditors or football creditors or debentures, which are all included in the £55M figure. The only big difference between the £14M and the £55M was the ticketus money, everything else was much the same I'd imagine.

What next from these pennyless propagandists, Messi has given them a verbal to join if they take over? What complete and utter tosh from the Brown camp, yet again. It sounds to me as if they are putting heavy pressure on anyone and everyone to back them and they are saying, come back to me when you have bought the club and we'll talk. For one to get rid of him off the phone and two because everyone knows they have no chance of buying the club. Everyone with even a slither of common sense can see through this completely. Still no bid I see, that was definately going in by Monday, or maybe Tuesday at the latest. Good luck at the Dakota guys, wouldnt bother getting a room, a few seats in the bar should suffice.

Nutter. That is all.

Good luck getting RSC reps to attend your fantasy clinic in the Dakota Bomber. If there are more than 20 (220 turned up at the RFFF meeting he hijacked) i will be astounded. That in itself should tell him that nobody believes him or his anonymous backers. He is still going on about Whyte owning the club's assets, despite the documents being available to see to everyone at the meeting, his own mate from the Clarkston bus being offered to look at them, and his own accountant of many years assuring him that the documents were in order. It was also explained that deeds take time to go through the process, it doesnt mean the ownership hasnt changed, just that the paperwork is needing completed by the laywers. When you move house, it is normal that your lawyer only gets the new title deeds with the change of owner to you on it about 6 weeks after you have actually moved in. This was explained s-l-o-w-l-y and clearly to Bomber at the meeting but he is still trying to throw enough dirt about on this issue. Either he really is as thick as he sounds and cannot comprehend what he is being told, or he is deliberately being mischievous to try to further his own aims. Either way I want him nowhere near our club ever again.

The embargo is illegal, as proven in court, and we should in no circumstances accept a transfer embargo over this club, whatever the fudge surrounding the dates are. Our fans paid good money to back the club into court to win that case, and Green would be making a big mistake if he thinks we will be happy with his capitulation over this.

Explosive stuff in those minutes. The SFA/SPL are trying to force the SFL clubs into putting Rangers into SFL1, where they can say that is not a big enough punishment and bring along fines and sanctions to further limit our ability to be the best we can be. The proof is above that of the £17M brought into the game in tv and sponsorship, Rangers are worth £16M of it. If that doesnt give us a bargaining tool to tell them to stuff their sanctions up their jacksy, I dont know what is. We should be making a full and public statement that we will never play in the SPL again, and that we believe the SFL is the way forward for Scottish football, and let the SPL know that they are finally fecked once and for all. We should also demand that Regan be sacked for his shambolic part in all this, so that the SFA can again be governed by a neutral CEO without an agenda to destroy one club in favour of his friend's club. Points sanctions only suit Celtic, this is the major story that Regan doesnt want to discuss. We wont be hit with points deductions int he SFL as they need us to win it and gain promotion at the first attempt, they will defer the points deductions until we are back in the SPL to ensure celtic continue to win it. It doesnt matter if we come second 3 years in a row, we cant take up a euro place so it is irrelevant to every other club in the league apart from celtic. I really and truly hope that Longmuir and the SFL clubs take their once in a lifetime opportunity to do over the big bully boys for good and tell Longmuir he is not authorised to promote Rangers to Div 1 without a full 30 club meeting and majority vote. We should be asking clubs to vote yes to point 1, no to point 2 and yes to point 3. We have a right to lobby the other SFL clubs as this is all about us, and we should ask them under no circumstances to put us into Division 1 as we are not ready for it with the players we have and also from a sporting integrity perspective.

I can see that what BP9 is advocating should be the proper grown-up thing to do. Like when a couple get divorced they sit round the table and divvy up the assets and stay all amicable "for the kids", even though the husband had a gambling problem that made their finances bankrupt. Unfortunately in our case, the wife didnt behave like a grown-up at all, she got the best lawyer and nailed his sorry ass on everything and got the house, the kids, the cars etc, leaving the husband with only his earning capacity as he had a great CV. The husband is supposed to say, ok I done wrong, you have got everything we owned, I'm left with nothing, but I'm supposed to voluntarily send you half my wages because its the right thing to do? I'm sorry, but I just dont buy it. We broke the rules by going into admin, got our sentence (10pts), and that should have been that. After the liquidation of the club, it should be an automatic start again at the bottom in Div 3. The fact we have been under disrepute charges is disgraceful and totally wrong. I strongly believe that in any other country the footballing authorities and political governments would be doing everything it could to ensure the survival of their most famous club, their standard bearer across the world, the club that makes our country famous around the world and brings tourism aplenty to our nation. Instead a rush to judgement has ensured, with us being found guilty of both the big tax case and dual contracts without any evidence of court standard being applied, or in fact without any guilty court decisions being made into the already established HMRC investigations. If all this means we should let this sorry episode go under the bridge without so much as an attempt at retaliation, then count me out. The very thought of it stinks as lily-livered apologetic nonsense that we as Rangers supporters have accepted far too often from our club under the Murray/Whyte regimes, and look where it got us. It allowed our enemies to sneak into all the powerful positions around, and wait for us to slip up, and when we have done, bang, they go for the jugular in a big way. We must fight back, strongly, and ensure we are fairly represented in all the powerful committees, have friends around us, and take on our enemies at every opportunity possible. If that leaves the country with a few less of the teams who have sided with celtic this last few months and seen their chance to have a right good kick at the Champions as a better idea than helping a fallen giant who has pumped millions into their club over the years, then that was their decision, not ours. And we would be rightful in having a snigger as they fall. NO more filling buckets outside their grounds when the begging bowl comes around. No more friendlies or testimonials to fill their coffers. No more filling 70% of their grounds at over-inflated prices to fund their squad. Every club who has taken a kick at us better start their plan B right now, as when we come back we will show no mercy.

If it was only about safeguarding their levels of income at their previous levels it was certainly an option for the players. Clearly the club couldnt afford their inclusion on a Div 3 budget, so they would have been sold, and probably to the same clubs they have all ended up with. The release clause fees were not substantial enough to put off EPL clubs who wanted them, it may just have affected their signing-on fee or wages slightly. I think the only thing you can say with any certainty is that these players would not be wearing our new shirt come our Ramsdens cup entrance on July 28. I cannot help but agree with those who feel let down by these players, more so the ones who claim to bleed blue.

Then they could have stayed and the club would have had to honour their full contracts, or pay them off to go as we did previously with the likes of Bob Malcolm.

I get what you mean now. It is a wee bit different from that. The sanctions talked about were for admission into the SPL. The talk of not accepting sanctions was for admission to the SFL. That was my take on it anyway. Also, there are also further SFA sanctions which are supposedly part of our being granted a licence, and supposedly not up for debate.

I take everything Roddy Forsyth says with a mine full of salt. I listen to radio 5live a lot and he is on it regularly as a Scottish reporter. His glee over recent months at our demise has been palpable, and his accuracy in getting facts right is about as dependable as a celtic loss being not their fault. But on sanctions generally, Regan is determined to impose sanctions on us to weaken us and strengthen his own team further. It seems to be his call if we get a SFA licence or not. It is therefore almost inevitable we have to grudgingly accept some sanctions or it will be war again with the deck loaded against us, as they could just refuse the licence for 12 months. In saying that I dont think they would/could because everything depends on us being back in the SPL in 12 months or the rest of the SPL is goosed. I think we should play hardball, but I dont believe ANY chairman of Rangers could take the chance. Its a real toughy!

I completely agree with their point about the SPL payment of £2M. This is legally obligated to them, and should be easily enforced by the courts. Scaremongering and bullying tactics similar to that which Regan and Lawwell have worked to great effect with the SPL clubs.

FFS i find myself agreeing with GS twice in 5 minutes!! While I have total resentment for the captain of our club walking away in these circumstances, I really thought he would do much better than a EPL newbie who will of course be hot favourites for relegation. I truly believe he (and the others) will regret the decisions they have made this summer for the rest of their lives.

What bits please? Has the document they presented to the SPL been publishe, I wasnt aware that it had?

There probably is, as cold hard cash is all these commercially-driven Companies care about. I could argue that it would be better to wait to see what they decide to do first, as up until now SKY have made no comment, but I know deep down the best way to influence any future decision is to get the retaliation in first. Im not a hypocrite though so cant call for anyone to do so when I wont do it myself, but tip my hat off to those who decide to ditch their SKY package on principle.

McCoist said on Wendnesday night we have the following first team players; Alexander Broadfoot Bedoya McCulloch Wallace plus the kids. I was discussing this with my son this morning and he mentioned Kyle Hutton to me. I must admit I dont remember seeing his name on the traitor list, does anyone know if he is still with us?

I can say with absolute certainty that I will NOT be cancelling SKY sports at any point in the near future. SKY will make a commercial decision based on their historic viewing figures, and the quality of product. It will be a no-brainer that without their most-watched club and with other clubs cutting back on players, the resultant quality will be greatly reduced. They have 60 games a season which pretty much allows them to cover every Rangers away game. Without us, they will have to fill their schedules with matches featuring other clubs, which always ensure substantially reduced viewing figures and therefore reduced advertising revenues, which needs to be passed on via the purchase price of the deal. I subscribe to SKY sports as I love watching all different sports. My regular viewing includes EPL games, La Liga games featuring Real or Barca, International cricket, Masters series tennis, some of the bigger golf tournaments, the NFL, poker tournaments, and plenty of Sky Sports News (not sure if you get that on freeview?) What I will do is refuse to add to the viewing figures of SPL football (which I never watched anyway as I go to all of our games and dont watch scum), SCottish cup football or Scotland Internationals. And I dont mind telling them why, but unlike those stupid SPL clubs in their recent chance to save themselves, I dont believe in being a turkey voting for Christmas.

It just goes to show how much the scum were threatening every club in the land regarding boycotts if they dared to vote in their biggest competitors into the league. The fact that even with an 10-1-1 vote, they still went after the one club who didnt vote with them, even though it was both an irrelevant vote and also an abstention, not a yes vote. That they were immediately contacting Killie with threats of boycotts and forcing them to fight with their own chairman rather than tell the integrity-laden scum where to go shows both how spineless the Killie fans are, and how powerful and organised the scum fans are.

They are now making up what they weanted to hear last night. At no point did Green say to Brown, give me £x and I will sell it to you. Not even close to that. Lets face facts here, this board and these owners are here to stay for the next couple of years minimum, before a full floatation when we are in better health and then the sell up and the club will have new owners. What we as fans should be doing is getting together and saying, right we have 2 years to raise the dough to buy enough shares in the floatation to become the major shareholder of our club. Instead we have an anonymous consortium being fronted by former players who are believing all they are being force-fed by as yet unknown individuals who were previously not interested in buying the club until the last few weeks post-liquidation. If Brown really wants the fans to own the club, that should be his starting off point. As far as most fans can make out, he is blowing hot air, constantly tripping himself up with inaccurate dispersions and erroneous statements and thinking that if he shouts loud enough for long enough people will follow him because he once played for the club. Sorry, but the fitness and survival of the club are far more important to me as a fan than blindly supporting a former player who is being worked from the back and wont name any of his backers. Another point on that, he wont name his backers as they are afraid of the backlash and hasstle they will get. Does that mean we are never going to find out who owns our club. Are there really good and true Rangers supporters out there with enough dosh to support this campaign but not enough integrity to name themselves. His consortium will be treated with the disdain it deserves until they provide a lot more information, information I doubt will ever see the lgiht of day.

Secco own the assets, there is a business plan in place for either div 1 or div 3, more investment on the way, fans will get chance to buy into club, club are happy to go to div 3.

An anonymous consortium, who he continued to refuse to name even when pushed. It was quite embarrassing really as he demanded transparency about the clubs investors (which he got) but refused to tell us about his own backers. Absolutely no credibility, no doubting his passion and his heart being in the right place but he is being led up a path he isn't clever enough to see is a wrong one by as yet unknown people.

There isn't any doubt BH. The docs are good, and we should be moving on. The fans reps appointed the guys on the RFFF to ask the questions of the new board and see the proof we all need, and they have told us everything is in order. These are real good and proper bears who never in a million years would tell their fellow fans anything but the truth about what the board are up to. They are satisfied the new board are on the level and that's good enough for me, as it should be for most bears.

No he said only one club would benefit from it.

I think there may be a few from here going, Frankie and Bluedell and myself for starters. Cant wait for this now, and from what ive been told about who is going to be there and what is going to be discussed it promises to be a very interesting evening.