alexscottislegend

I'll just say that not all BLM supporters subscribe to that view - and I've referenced it previously.

At the very least booing is bad manners; forums like this are ways to express your views.

Slightly off-topic I know but I didn't see the need for a minute's silence for Maradona. Not that I didn't like the little man (he had a great affinity for the underdog) but he had little to do with British football.

it could legitimately be argued that those sub-prime mortgages were the causal factor in the 2008 financial crisis, Agreed.

Well now you are talking about class as opposed to race and that is a more accurate way to look at it. South Africa may not be racist now but it is definitely classist with a group of middle class blacks.

He does but no more than you do to promote your dogma. I will admit though that the crash had more to do with class than race.

Come on! You know fine well what I meant.

When people are disproportionately affected - as you yourself inferred- then that is the system discriminating is my point. And that begs the question of why lower-income families (who are working after all) can't afford anything other than sub-prime products? And why blacks and Latinos form the bulk of that group. So don't see how you can say it is nothing to do with discrimination.

'Lurgan Flopp' - that's quite clever.?

'Dividing humans' was Gonzo's phrase. I'm pleased to be informed that capitalism ended in the 1970's.

I think that's what happening with this gender dyphoria thing; every day there seems some article about somebody 'transitioning' and the mental traumas they have gone through.There cannot be so many people who are thus genuinely affected. The dividing of humans due to race is an integral part of the capitalist ethos, as I said above in my earlier post.

Then you would probably object to them being forced.

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And talking of gestures, many corporations have embraced this anti-racism movement (Ben and Jerry for one). The CEO of JP Morgan took the knee with his staff. Yet his organisation were complicit in the sub-prime mortgages scandal when BAME customers were disproportionately affected and then foreclosed on them after the 2008 crisis. So that's the trouble with gesture politics.

The BBC? Your go-to source for all that's bad in 'wokiness' is it??

I agree about the negative side of ID politics - the idea that we only have to be more inclusive and have more positive discrimination which is totally reactionary. To your first point I just think that high profile publicity may cause people to think. But the gestures will have to stop at some point I suppose.

The type of discrimination BLM are talking about is systemic racism. I haven't seen too many bald people stopped and searched or beaten senseless by the cops. And we don't end institutional racism by individual action or by futilely featuring a few more black people on tv ads.

Don't see what incomes have to do with it. The racism problem is systemic.

Think the answer to that is that football players are at their place of work. If any one of us made a racist or homophobic comment at our places of work then we would likely be disciplined or at least given a dressing down. On Saturday if Michael Gardyne had said something derogatory then our players - who are at work - have every right to object. Would be nice if we could keep politics away from sport but these are societal issues and the football arena is a workplace after all.

We could very nearly field an all-black team, so it will stop when those players, led by Goldson and Tav. think that it has served its purpose. Until they decide - and no one else - I will support their gesture.

It's interesting that QPR - and principally Les Ferdinand of the Ferdinand family - were initially viewing the gesture as pointless but have now changed their mind because Millwall, who have previous for racism, decided to boo when they played Derby. It may be a gesture but recently a senior FA figure had to resign because he made insensitive remarks so clearly not making a gesture does not get the message over. Millwall supporters are being disingenuous when they claim BLM (and this knee-bending is NOT at the behest of BLM) is what they object because it is political: BLM is not a political party and will not be fielding candidates at any election. Rather it is a disparate movement of individuals who have widely differing views and methods of campaigning. My stepson was involved for a time and had to call out on social media some racism directed v whites. On the other hand, as one of the original Black Panthers said, you cannot have capitalism without racism. Malcolm X welcomed white activists into his movement too.

So true.

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We can now afford to lose the odd league game. Imagine!

Ask Connor Goldson how he would feel. I'm happy to go with what the players attitude is.