andy steel
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And you'd be wrong. The point is that singing about the UVF or the YCV or people of that ilk - who killed 'UK citizens', whether they wanted to be British or otherwise - is in no ways 'better' than singing about the IRA.
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It's amazing how people misread other people so consistently and effortlessly in this whole mess. Now, apparently, those who have found Somers' opening gambits depressingly similar to those of the previous incumbent(s); who note the use of the same, squabbling language unsuitable for a chairman of Rangers; who found his claim that he'd never heard of Green et al as either bullshit or an indication that he's going blind into a job no-one should go blind into; who nearly keeled over at the thought of 'owing Brian Stockbridge a debt of thanks'; and who think that, while a CEO can support any team or none, a figurehead chairman ought to support the club are now guilty of expecting things 'to change at a business level in a matter of seconds'. But just say that's true, & I did want that to happen. David Somers comes in, has a meeting with the requisitioners, and, in measured language, points out all their faults and failings and announces that, regrettably, he won't be able to work with them. Of course, the decision will be made at the AGM but from his position, including going over the minutes, he feels it would be a backward step. Then David Somers tells whoever is releasing & writing our statements to leave out the kindergarten stuff, & from now on we'll be attacking the other side with class. It may be a put on, a disguise, but that's how we're doing it. I suggest that would have taken about a morning at most. But it's not about expecting miracles. It's entirely about finding Somers as a chairman a very square peg in a round hole - he's not a Rangers fan, he apparently knows precisely zero about the club's history up to an including one month ago, yet he's in a position to release infantile statements which suggest he's up to his knees in the trench warfare every bit as much as Paul Murray. Considering he has done very little, it's quite a tribute to his unsuitability that he has managed to get so much wrong.
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Celtic fans rioting in Motherwell tonight?
andy steel replied to Zappa's topic in General Football Chat
Yes, I must say all these celtc fans tweeting and emailing must have been deaf, dumb & blind to everything going on around them for years. At least Tom English has the guts to say so. No surprise to hear Spiers just about self-imploding yesterday, desperately trying to reconcile his decade long deification of celtc's support with events of the last few weeks. You have to conclude that he simply doesn't have a clue about Old Firm fan culture at its most bitter levels, in which case he'd be better either finding out or keeping his yap shut about it. -
You'll be pleased to hear, then, that I don't pay any heed to the propaganda of the bloggers, since I haven't read them for months. I merely consider the inexplicable flow of money out of our club, leaving it financially in a precarious position, is vandalism. How anyone can think otherwise is, as I said, beyond me.
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Can only assume you missed his statement yesterday. There's a big thread on it, though. Unless you are in fact Brian Stockbridge, I suppose, and agree with his statement!
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I just find it harder and harder to believe, with every passing moment of incompetency, that we have hired a stream of utterly useless businessmen, from Whyte, Murray(s) through to Green, Mather and now Somers by accident or bad luck. It has to be more than coincidence. Even the Tories sorted themselves out quicker than this.
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Celtic fans rioting in Motherwell tonight?
andy steel replied to Zappa's topic in General Football Chat
Hard to believe the Tims have been so stupid this last few weeks. I mean, hugely enjoyable, but talk about shooting yourself in the foot! -
I wish I could share your bevvy fuelled optimism. But the reason that I am tetchy with people who back the present lot is because I believe the future of the club is very much on the line. Is there a way back from another admin event? I'm not sure there is. The rest of the game has no fear of trundling along without Rangers, now they've seen that they can do it; yes, the product is mince but it's not appreciably worse than when we were around. If, as I believe is quite possible, we hit admin again next year before the end of the season, we could iirc be relegated back into D1, even if we win the league. What a great sell that would be to ST holders, another season in the third tier of the game. Who knows, perhaps another admin event would see an actual administrator in charge rather than Waldorf & Stadler, jobs cut, assets sold. I can see the queues outside the ticket office already. It's not just, as you say, a case of turning up amid the bickering. We've given the Tims chance after chance after chance to put us away for good and they are not going to keep missing - we saw from Lawwell at their AGM that they will quite seriously go to UEFA to try to prevent our being granted a licence. Noises off from the likes of Dundee Utd & Aberdeen suggest Timothy has given them the nod that should some Atlantic League comes about, they'll get the invite, especially if we aren't around to get one. It's way more important than a change of blazer. We're fighting to survive, full stop.
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Sorry, I have absolutely no idea.
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Sod this being nice - I think that people backing the current board are virtually collaborators. I can understand people not liking the requisitioners, but to back the vandals that are metaphorically burning Ibrox to the ground? It's beyond me.
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You can't give your vote to a proxy then turn up and cast it in person as well, surely.
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This is what busts my balls about the board's tactics (fuck me, this is the board of Rangers I'm talking about...it's beyond embarrassing). Anyone who is 'behind' PM is automatically blind to his faults, doesn't know the facts, fails to take into account his actions when a director. I think most of the people on this board who are 'behind' PM- 99% of whom have taken about a year to work out who to back and who not to back - have come to that position almost by default, because the people who have been in place have been so rank bloody rotten. Maybe the people who come up with the stuff above should consider this - if Paul Murray is such a bad choice, and people who understand the above (I don't) are still more likely to back him than them, what are they doing wrong? Maybe they could address their own missteps and mistakes instead of putting up posts on forums that frankly, wouldn't fool a two year old, such is their obvious aim? I realise that would require class and professionalism. But I still prefer to think that's what a Rangers board should embody.
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As usual the chimera of the club being this upstanding bastion of morality only applies when it suits the individual.
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Re; MM far from it. I'd be happier if he wasn't part of the requisitioner side. But he is, and bluntly they are a better option than what's in at the moment. The best option? Far from it. But that's the choice, him or them. Re the 2nd para: I can only respond to what people say. Somers comes out and says, we must engage with the fans! But he won't actually talk to them, so it's a funny kind of engagement he has in mind. Somers comes out and says, I've never heard of Green, Ahmad and Whyte! In that case, he strikes me as being ignorant of Scottish football to the extent that he'll struggle very badly to deal with the forces that swirl around and inside us. Somers comes out and says we owe a debt of gratitude to Stocbridge...well, if he returns his - let's be blunt, here - criminal bonus, I might think about it. Until then, he owes us most certainly not the other way around. I can only judge Mr Somers on his statement today, because it's the only thing I've got to judge him on. And my judgement is he is quite unsuitable. Means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but there it is. Although I will say that my theory about us being run into the ground by shadowy Tims in the background gets more and more feasible with every nightmarish turn of this saga.
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ffs, stfu.
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I'll try to read it again after I go shopping - I got as far as 'I hadn't heard of Charles Green until a month ago' and had to stop, and that was after nearly choking on my coffee at the 'we have to be professional bit'. If that's true (about Green), I'm not sure he's the right man for the job, tbh.
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I would. No board can ever have too much Ivor Cutler.
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I doubt he'd be sacked unless or until they go out the CL, which given their 0-5 result In Germany the other week looks unlikely to be soon!
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I'd say, 'any chance of some proof?'
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I can't quite make up my mind here. A chunk of shares held by a fans' group seems like a good idea (I think fan ownership is too far). But here, it seems like I would be paying a minimum of @£12 for a share which is presently worth what, about 60p or something? It just seems like some people might be willing to buy into the shares held by the RST scheme without actually wanting to join the RST itself. I know that may sound contradictory but why cut off any potential avenue of increasing your holding? Someone might just agree with the aim but not want to be a part of the RST. I'm assuming the majority of the £12 is going toward RST membership here, could be wrong.
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Malcolm Murray: Rangers won't survive unless I'm voted back
andy steel replied to j1mgg's topic in Rangers Chat
People appear to have different opinions from you. That's all there is to it. -
Tbf, Bell, Daly, Moshni and Law were all freebies.
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Scottish Cup Draw Rangers v Dunfermline or Ayr
andy steel replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
Their pals, Aberdeen. Kinda hope we lose to deny SPL sides any money. Weird. -
Both me and my 12 year old have been lightly frisked (tickled would be a better way to put it, really) going into Ibrox so I don't see why they can't do it at away games.
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Chance of that happening at Ibrox these days is pretty slim.