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  1. andy steel
    Maybe, maybe. I don't know anyone so I can't tell what motives are. I just don't hear much 'I really hate the RST' outside of online chat. 'ideas above their station'? I think what is plainly irking you, and what you see as looking for someone to worship at the top, is more like people just wanting to see their team back to the way it was. This may be down to a collective lumpen proletariat mentality, it may be down to personal vendettas, it may be jealousies or forelock tugging, or it may be that people have a shit load of hassles in their lives on a day to day basis and would quite like to go to the football and escape into another world for two hours of a Saturday. I don't suppose being a fan owned club necessarily precludes the above but you have to remember that into every life the rain must fall...and usually pisses. I'd wager there are people who simply don't have the energy to take on another fight in their lives. If you're maybe in the 18-30 bracket, good luck to you. If you're older than that and can still find the wherewithall to fight the good fight as you see it, you're a very lucky man/woman. It's just not on for some.
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    They should accept responsibility, but apparently they don't legally have to. Morally it reeks, but unless bleating about sporting integrity when did morality ever affect sport?
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    My second ever strip was an Umbro City kit, came in a box with (seems slightly dodgy now) satiny-silk shorts. As usual the badge peeled off after about 10 washes but I loved that top. Must have been 80, 81? Joe Corrigan, Tommy Hutchison era. People can say what they like about City. After three decades of not even seeing their games on TV I'm just about orgasming over the last couple of years. And it's not just money, it's money being used to create a team that is so pleasing on the eye. Loving It!
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    Come on, easy on the paranoia. BH has explained why, in law, football clubs have a get out from being responsible for such things happening. If we object to that, we should email our MSP's (we are, after all, sitting at a switched on computer) and urge them to change the rules. And quite honestly, as much as I don't wish to ruffle feathers, if absolute responsibility came in we'd be walking on eggshells waiting for the UB's to drop us in it with UVF stuff.
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    The problem (apart from him losing it so often) is that any opposition worth their salt will now go out and boot him all ways, looking fora reaction, safe in the knowledge that we appear to recruit refs at this level from the local Tae Kwon-Do club. He's made a rod for his own back.
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    Is the anti-RST feeling that strong, really? Without wishing to point fingers at anyone (I really have no idea who did what to whom at all) it seems to be the same people going over the same ground whenever fights crop about about the RST; and it doesn't seem like more than about a dozen people, all of whom plainly feel very strongly about things. But does that translate into a wider antipathy amongst the support?
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    I've said my piece on the overarching idea, but I'm just not buying this guy's spiel. There's no reason why an independently funded ownership group ('GersnetShare') wouldn't proxy shares across to BuyRangers if the time came to make a move, but the idea - which surely chimes with your aim, Hildy - is shot down in flames? The answer to the question, how many investment groups does the support actually need is 'as many as it takes to get the job done'. Why the hostility to parallel schemes?
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    I was going to tweet the lass in question and ask if she felt a bit silly now the focus of her devotion had destroyed the sectarian line himself; but to be honest these people are far, far beyond any sort of reason.
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    It appears the modus operandi is to berate those who disagree with your opinions. You're not going to move very far forward with that attitude (not you personally btw). I'm not a member, not going to be, and having said my piece will get out of the road on this topic. But I would like to point out to the activist types that they are coming across as a bit mentalist (dare I say it, holier than thou) at times. Persuasion, not derision, will get results.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axb2sHpGwHQ xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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    You have to wonder how Aberdeen fans feel about being quite so under celtc's heel.
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    I think Aberdeen's figures are up a bit on the back of their 'good' season, are they not? As long as someone, somewhere has an increase of a couple of thousand Radio Pravda will carry on wheeling out the 'Record Harvest' stories about how wonderful everything is. It's like living in a parallel universe - every team is bursting at the seams with fresh, exciting Scottish talent, the fans are flooding through the gates, enthused by the new spirit of competition and sporting integrity which has surged through the body of Scots football like a drug since we got the boot. Every game is a cracker, 90 minutes of relentless entertainment which must surely have scouts from all Europe booking flights to Glasgow, Aberdeen and Edinburgh airports to find out what this revival has to offer. All that said, I'd hate to see a comparable list for our games like the one above, because there's no doubt the figures are dropping.
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    Your putting down of people who disagree with you as 'looking for a deity' or 'obedience to the man in the big house' points us toward why some fans are nervous about fan ownership. Rather than the invented reasons you listed above, maybe you're just not very convincing? I don't suffer from either of these conditions; I would prefer to have professionally appointed people doing a professional job to asking 40,000 of us to approve, say, a new finance director or CEO. Certainly the current lot are far from professional, but that doesn't mean yours is the only alternative. Knee-jerk pigeon holing of those who don't agree with you to fit some view of the world you hold doesn't fill me with confidence that yourself, or your confreres, holding the reins of power would be the answer.
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    I believe the BBC. I think Richard Gordon and Stuart Cosgrove, as representatives of the clubs involved, ought to make an on air apology for the hideous sectarianism of their supporters. Disgusting, toxic clubs etc
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    True, but it's also open for decent sane Rangers fans who are also willing to invest at a level the ordinary Bluenose cannot, or in other words our entire history up until Murray's Thatcherite experiment. Equally, fan ownership leaves the door open for a whole airport's worth of baggage handlers/people with the best intentions but no experience/emotionally driven and therefore not very objective punters like us/etc to come marching up the stairs. It's not a case of 'this option good, this option bad' for me. However, since you lot are part of the 'I actually got off my arse and did something' brigade I certainly admire you; but I disagree with your aim, just the same.
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    I'm happy to acknowledge that, but such a stance still seems to me to be a touch illogical: when fund manager x decides to invest in a football club, surely s/he is aware that the level of scrutiny will ratchet up about 1000% on an everyday investment? And that in our specific case there are swivel eyed loons like me patrolling the ether, ever alert for another shyster? Be it more than usual, it still seems a little 'head stuck in sand' to me. Bit of an easy way out, that, 'we can't win'. He certainly can, he can engage with fans a bit and let them know where he, they and the club all stand in relation to one another. I'm well aware that this fellow is investing to make a return and earn money. We're undervalued, he sees an opportunity. There's nothing wrong with that, that's absolutely expected. The fundamental point, which we are very interested in as it directly affects how our club will recruit, sell, deal with infrastructure and so on, is how he expects to go about accruing that return. Will he leave it to the present board entirely? Will he seek to influence such areas as I mentioned, like buying or selling of players? Will he, too, do a 120 day review, or did he do that prior to investing (which seems more sensible)? Or is it more of a 'hands-off' approach, wait until the price moves us (say) 20% and then sell? Managers may not like (or be willing to) divulge such information, and I would understand why, a bit. But given that fans are not about to stop asking these questions, and that it is down to the fans whether any return is substantial or non-existent, I would query why then make the investment in the first place. Investing, disappearing and taking returns just isn't going to happen at many football clubs, and certainly not at RIFC.
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    If we're going to sack managers for thinking differently to fans, there's going to be a lot of managers coming and going.
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    It's 'simple' maths, all right. The share price is going to remain static, is it, while we snap up all these shares? And the funds/institutionals, in it for maximum return, are going to sit idly by and watch us, are they, as we challenge their dominant position? And we, in the middle of the worst economic slump in living memory, are expected to not only shell out for ST's, match tickets, merchandise et al but also for shares and ALSO to kep finding more and more money for shares as the price increases? Dream on. If you want to see your club dragged down to the level of Annan, Ayr or Motherwell, go for it. Eventually this economic shambles with be over with, investment will return to the club, and if it operates on a sane basis rather than some economics of the madhouse we can be both competitive and prudent. While I hate the 'Rangers are special' argument, to propose a model for us which fits clubs of these sizes is just daft. Man, this is Spence's vision - surely that should be enough to get the warning bells ringing?
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    I never realised purchasing shares in Rangers made one immune from the judgement of others! When I win Euromillions I shall of course buy heavily in RIFC shares, then wander along Edmiston Drive pishing on the brick frontage, before doing a ginormous dump on the head of John Greig (the statue, I hasten to add). When challenged, I shall point them in the direction of Barca72's rationale above. Manichean divisions of 'life' are stupid, wherever they crop up. Life is made up of many shades, never black or white. Only the wilfully blind live in the either/or camp; it precludes a world of alternatives.
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    Bit disappointing that we didn't even manage a loan deal to brighten the place up a bit. At least the SSN girls did their best.
  21. andy steel
    Well said, that man. If I'd seen that while I was typing yon essay I wouldn't have bothered.
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    The more you read what comes out of Ibrox the more you think, do people actually pay money for PR like this? However, I suppose it allows us a sneak at the priorities of those who, unfortunately, are sitting at the top of the marble staircase. If the present lot were in office, and were issuing professional statements, going through the City and generally behaving as businessmen tend to, we could hazard a guess that they were interested in generating finance from that avenue. Since the present lot are issuing cretinous, supposed 'crowd-pleasing' guff - and I'll return to that in a mo - we can infer that their target audience is what they consider to be us thickos who pay for tickets. What would they like, museth Jack and toadies? Some low rent rabble rousing rubbish about chucking Whyte down the stairs. Maybe I am alone but I wasn't even aware Whyte was back in town, let alone claiming he owned the club. Put me in a satin dress and call me Dolores del Rio but I think I would have noticed that walloper's return, even here in the quiet retirement village of Rangers boards that is Gersnet. Sounds like a straw man set up to allow some tough talk against someone who is of no threat. Some tough talk against some people who currently are on the scene, like the club's PR wallah, maybe that would be asking too much. Which casts us fans in a depressing light. Can they really think we are all of the Order of the Nedwin, whose response to trouble is to get the fists up? Do the club really believe that of us, that we are the anti-social rabble that the post-Manchester press delighted in creating? Is it me that's out of whack, and we actually do have a subba-culcha of supporters who like this sort of shite and will back it with solid currency? Surely to God, after all the bullshite Charles served up, no-one is of an appetite to swallow more. The likes of McMurdo can dress this drivel up as standing up for Rangers all he likes, berating people who find such uneducated and uncultured behaviour horrifying in someone wearing the club tie. I've always said that when we put the blue scarf on, we are ambassadors for the club and must behave accordingly. However, the thought of Easdale representing me at some official function is quite horrendous; I would quite frankly not be represented. It's no surprise that this came out on a Friday, when I have no doubt the people behind it feel fans will be more 'receptive' (= pished, coz that's what scummy Huns do on a Friday night) to such a message. Breathtaking in it's contempt, all the more heartbreaking as, no doubt, some will buy it without even realising they are being hideously patronised and misrepresented. And where will all this garbage gets us? Should we return to the top flight, which under these amateur public figures and professional embarrassments is by no means certain (as well as Ally's dodgy coaching) who seriously imagines anything we want to get done being remotely considered by any kind of SPFL board? And what's unbelievable, coming from a life long Bluenose, is that I couldn't blame them one bit. Complete ostracism awaits, and no wonder. Every message we send out shrieks incompetence. Maybe, when people are blogging about defending the club from fantasy Irish republicans who are, apparently, stalking the streets of Scotland even as I type, they may care to take a second and consider where such a stupid, classless, infantile way of communicating leaves us. Ever more disunited, ever more isolated. Hoorah!
  23. andy steel
    It's not the same guy, but his son.
  24. andy steel
    It's hard to argue with that conclusion, Steve. And it leaves us in a hateful position, not knowing what to do and whether we are stabbing the club in the back or helping it forward. I reckon most of us will just get the wallets out as usual, but I don't recall ever dithering about it to this level before.
  25. andy steel
    I apologise to all Arran sweater wearing Bluenoses! Altogether now, 'for these are my mountaiiiiinns....'
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