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Not dropped; rotated out to ensure minutes for other players....

They’re as rare as me talking sense. 🤪

I'd like to see it, but I don't see Tavernier and Dessers being dropped.

Starting XI should be interesting for tomorrow evening. Scope for tinkering but I'd fancy standard of opposition and pressure to find form will ensure a strong team. Malmo game may allow minutes for likes of Kasanwirjo but rests not strictly required given recent international break. This is a chance to rotate likes of Tav and Lawrence out to the bench though.

I'll go with the recent trend Rangers P-P Dundee

Official fan media (H&H). If it's said on there then presumably it's come from the club. We don't have proof or verification but they're hardly likely to lie about it.

Club 1872 is still probably the only vehicle for wholesale change inside the club for fans, in principle at least. Otherwise we are just rearranging deckchairs or contemplating takeovers from VC's. You can say what you like about the organisations governance but that's their selling point isn't it, 'never again' and fan representation on the board. King offered them his shares and any fan could've signed up to buy them through 1872 but the uptake just wasn't there. We won't revolt, we've been prodded and poked by the rest of Scottish football for decades and it's got to the point where we're just apathetic as a fanbase. This board are benign I think though, or at least I'm 95% sure they are. They just can't buy a win atm.

I think if we can spunk 25k a week and £4m on Sam Lammers on a 4 year deal then we can afford executives. Which is my gripe, don't lowball candidates and be cheap, pay good money and get a stellar candidate. If we can get a brilliant CEO and AD in for the same price as a big first team signing for 4/5 years then do it. It needs to be treated like a transformational signing, but then there would need to be a visible and distinct plan in place for their tenure. Yet to see one post 2012 tbh. Unless you count Gerrards aura as being a plan.

Spoil sport

King allowing his ego to take over isn't a new thing. Not something to get flustered about, in my opinion.

Dave King calling for an EGM to get back in the top seat to drive change. King walked willingly IIRC. Leaving the guys that were then in control in control? Surely this is a mess of his own making. Making comments about Gerrard not leaving if he was still there and so on isn't the Win he thinks it is.

Ironically they are furthest along in the planning stage of this. There's already a 'Balkans' basketball league featuring teams from Serbia, Croatia, North Macedonia, Slovenia, Bosnia and, strangely, Dubai. Basketball is very popular in those countries, it's not the quasi-American happy clapper thing we have. Clubs like Red Star, Partizan and Hadjuk Split have basketball teams and their Ultras attend the matches. Despite the obvious regional tensions it seems to function well and at a high standard. The football clubs in those countries have spoken about trying to replicate this type of set up. Basically trying to recreate the league they had when it was all Yugoslavia. What stage it's at just now I don't know, it had some momentum before covid but I've not heard much about it recently.

The Etihad just brings back bad memories for me . I wonder do City fans care that they have so many non-Manc "Supporters" ? They have for the most part , always been the poor relation ,so i think they'll just bask in it regardless. But yes ,supporters in England will eventually turn off to modern football . I see Arsenal have a black green and yellow away shirt, in honour of their African heritage... i presume that's got absolutely nothing to do with marketing.

Don’t bet against it

It's not totally unrealistic to think that external factors may have contributed. The likes of the SFA and GCC aren't exactly our friends.

There's no question this won't happen ,and this new format will only serve to enforce a Euro super league. The old die hards ,or so called 'Legacy' supporters will be powerless to stop it, these supporters mean nothing to the money men ,it's the armchair virtual supporters in Asia etc that really matter.

This is what you said, old bean. ”Hampden may have been the only solution, so why wasn't it agreed way before it was? Why did we wait so long given the reality was that industry standards suggest all projects over run?” An implication of adverse consequences, otherwise why ask the question? One of your complaints was delay in procuring an alternative venue.

This was your post that Scott7 responded to, asking about consequences. You were referring to the delay in the announcement confirming Hampden. Perhaps the SFA were being twats. Perhaps the club were looking at other options.

I think Scott7 meant the adverse consequences of Hampden being announced quite late on, not the fact the we had to play there. That few weeks between the initial announcement about Ibrox not being ready and Hampden being announced caused a lot of messageboard debates but not much else.

You were asking why Hampden wasn’t fixed up beforehand. I was asking the adverse consequence of the failure to fo so. Maybe Rangers were compelled to pay more for it but I don’t think we know thst.

Cup ties don’t usually sell out until the later rounds. Not even semifinals if the opposition isn’t a big name.

I think some of the big boys like Madrid Barcelona Bayern to name three see this new setup as a kind of trial before they embark on their European super league concept iron out the wrinkles in this competition then set up their own competition with all the big boys and some others like the Parkhead mob that can fill their stadiums and wet the appetites of the television moguls that’s were the money is .

It'd be nice to see us at least trying to control a match from start to finish. Our phases of good play are far too intermittent.

Exactly how I recall it as well.

Did he though? I don't think he did.

I have a recollection that there had been a previous meeting with the fans, prior to the "lie" meeting you refer to, and the CEO was asked about a contingency plan and the fan was told that such a plan wasn't required as everything would be on time. Does anyone else recall hearing that, or was what I heard a misquote from the documented meeting?

The stadium upgrade was necessary. Not many building projects are finished within the projected timescale. Actions speak louder than words. What they do matters a lot more than what they say.

For me the embarrassing thing is only King is laying out a strategy (I understand he has to fulfil that) to take us forward. That strategy may not be what we all agree on or want to hear, but it's a strategy. The current board are asleep at the wheel. No strategy (so it appears), unsuccessful in filling crucial roles at the club, still making huge and humiliating decisions (the fact we are still a day away from our 1st real home game of the season as an example). If the current board believe they are the people to lead us forward (they may be), let's hear from them. Let's hear their strategy, let's hear their vision, let's hear how they are going to learn from the multiple mistakes they've made. Silence isn't an option any longer if they want to regain the support and more importantly the trust of the fan base (still tickets remaining for tomorrow's games tells its own story), they need to show us how we are going to restart the enthusiasm of the club, move forward and begin to win titles. Otherwise, they'd be as well closing the doors.

Embarrassing comedic mess with no good options.

A certain team who have walked into the CL group stage for the last few years, now have to qualify, so I hope that their income is going to drop big style 🤫

Good luck with that (I agree with your point though)!

I can't see it myself, John, but let's hope you're correct.

It's never going to happen in the near future. It could have happened in the early 90s when Sky had so much power and they could have forced the EPL to accept us, but now the EPL has grown exponentially and they don't need Sky and don't need us. UEFA will prevent things like the Atlantic league from happening with moves similar to the new (dreadful) CL and Europa League format. The only way that it could happen would be for a club to win a EU case on something like restraint of trade, but even then we would presumably still be reliant on the EPL voting to accept us, and why would they? We need to accept that we're here in Scotland and plan to improve our situation here.