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At the game you wouldn't know the context. It's amazing how different situations can appear when you don't have the luxury of replays and commentary... Unless you're sitting next to me where you get the latter and it is always accurate...

I remember a number of years ago, ironically against Thistle again, Iain Ferguson being criticised for chasing the ball following a similar incident. Someone went down and the ball was put out, it was thrown back to Thistle by us, then Fergie chased their players not allowing them to dwell on it. The Thistle fans howled, their players remonstrated but as the game was tied and it felt like Thistle were wasting time Fergie wasn't for letting them pass it among themselves. At the time I fully supported him doing it, I felt Thistle were taking advantage of the unwritten rule, using it to their advantage, trying to slow the game down, stop our building momentum. So for me there isn't a line, I don't see this as club specific, I see it as circumstances specific. I'd have no problem supporting the manager and players doing the same thing, in the same circumstances, against any other side, even 'them'. In different circumstances though, I might take a very different view. As this thread has demonstrated, this isn't a black and white issue. We all see things differently and I suspect if this ever does happen again there will be disagreements, again. Interestingly I just watched the Leeds/Aston Villa incident from a few years back. It's slightly different but the outcome was the same, Leeds letting Villa walk in a goal. What I noticed though was the Leeds supporters booed and jeered it, they weren't happy about that decision, made by a very popular manager in Biesla. So maybe @Bluedell is onto something in his observation that those at the game and those watching on TV saw the incident differently.

Not what @ian1964 says 😀

My feedback on the possible reasons for this are: 1. Club 1872 has zero credibility. 2. Fans want the cash from share purchases to go to the club and not a millionaire.

Some of the tactical comments that interested me: 'After almost exactly a year in office, coach Giovanni van Bronckhorst had to vacate his post in November. Was his performance in the premier class his undoing? Yes, but we haven't always reached our standard in the league either. I don't think the sporting directors liked the way we played football. That was too defensive, goals are expected from us. His successor Michael Beale, once an assistant to Steven Gerrard, has not yet lost a competitive game as Rangers coach. What does he do better than van Bronckhorst? Among other things, he allows more offensive football to be played. I would say that he and his assistants prepare us more for opponents. We have a better sense of how we go into a game. [...] You have scored five goals in the last eight competitive games, sometimes as a right winger, sometimes in central midfield. What position do you see yourself in? I mostly play on the right eight, the coach gives me certain freedom up front. I'm a mix of a ten and an eight. Under the new coach, I took another big step towards eight because I think more defensively and understand our pressing.'

Yeah, it should not happen against any other premiership team. I also feel like without calling out the no foul award for the stamp we are accepting some kind of blame for this when in reality we have went over and above to placate the other team. I get all the talk about standards etc but I dont want this incident setting some kind of precedent for our players being fouled, it being missed by the ref and then other teams expecting something from us. Tillman was the player wronged here.

It wasn't done for their benefit but for ours.

That's fair, Bluedell.

You can translate the German interview here: https://www.kicker.de/bayern-leihgabe-tillman-im-interview-mir-wurde-oft-das-beispiel-kimmich-genannt-937491/artikel

No brainer - we simply must do everything in our power to sign him and build a team around him (Raskin, Cantwell, Kent and dare I say it, Alfie.....)

Tillman in the second half was almost Laudrup-esque. I can pay the young man no higher compliment.

No surprise there...

Interesting comments about playing under GvB - defensive mindset and lack of preparation.

If a team puts the ball out of play, for whatever reason, that team loses possession and the other team can do what it likes with the ball. Resume play on that basis. You certainly can’t expect to get it back because your own chap was injured. If you put it out because the other fellow was hurt, return of the ball is within the gift of his teammates so don’t expect anything. If the opposing team decides to give the ball back, do it by means of a foul throw. Anything else leaves room for doubt. Was Beale right or wrong? In the Corinthian league he was right. In this league he was wrong. Any media hysteria would have died down in a fortnight. I get the impression that the media line is Tillmann is the villain with some grudged acknowledgement of Beale’s remedial measures. I don’t study media reports so it could be a wrong impression.

I am sad to say it is too late.

I was discussing it with a Jambo at work today. As I posted yesterday I was fairly happy with Beale's reasoning but I also think if the circumstances were different then so would have been his decision. For example, if we were 0-1 down with 5mins left would he have done the same thing? I doubt it. As such, I think the manager and perhaps the game in general need to discuss the issue. However, it's worth noting the situation was extremely unusual and unlikely to happen again any time soon.

I wonder if being at the game and being caught up in the emotion of the game has coloured the views of some (including myself) compared to those watching it elsewhere? I also wonder what the cut-off is for those supportive of Beale's decision. Are you in favour of us doing it against Celtic? Aberdeen? Hibs? Hearts? Where is the line?

I think the blame needs to be put on the referee for not calling the stamp as a foul and a red card before we can forget about it and move along. Every other week at Ibrox we all see referees let the dross level it up with rough house tactics and it needs to stop.

An Australian who’s got his UEFA pro licence? 🤠

It doesn't matter what other teams would or wouldn't have done in that situation. We set the barometer. Be proud of the fact we did the right thing and can hold ourselves to higher standards than others even if it isn't reciprocated.

How god is Malik Tillman? He was a joy to watch in that second half. Can Bayern Munich take him back before we buy him?

I said last night that I thought it was not the correct decision and stand by that today. PT were NOT giving us the ball back and were not "sporting" during the game (nothing wring with that). However, MB has explained why he did it and I'm happy with his explanation and not going to hold it against him or the players. Time to put it to bed and move along.

Kevin Thomson would've 'blootered' someone before Tillman had even reached the deck. #JustSayin

Tillman and Raskin were outstanding. I'm going for Raskin as he was on it for the whole game.

The View from the Gang Hut. Well, I suppose there are only so many Sellik Podcasters PQ can squeeze into a couple of weeks of broadcasting? Of course, some of those stick around and become employed and, get their official PQ CSC membership card. Amy Canavan was on A View from the Terrace earlier this season telling the lads her all time football highlight. Sitting down with her family to watch last season's Europa League cup final, she told of her excitement rising as she noticed Aaron Ramsey stepping up to take the next penalty for Rangers. She knew, her family knew, the world knew - they erupted, jumped up and, ran around the family home celebrating. The lads on the show joined in, punching the air amid gaping smiles. Remember BBC Scotland always supports the Scottish clubs in Europe? Normal service was resumed inside the Gang Hut, Off the Ball had Susie McCabe and Iona Fife as guests on Saturday. Gersnetters may or not be aware that Aberdeenshire born and bred traditional songstress, Iona Fife has had a few Twitter spats with Rangers supporters this last year? Iona has succeeded in raising her profile considerably on the back of these postings. Off the Ball were determined to get to the bottom of the spat and asked Iona to explain? Apparently, it is all politics and Rangers supporters are to blame. Susie was cooing with empathy. Iona finished with, "when I heard the Euro final result, I Tweeted have a nice day". Now, Tam is prone to ask, "we want to hear from Rangers supporters" but, not on Saturday. Susie's contribution was strange. She told of writing to 'Jim'll Fix It' pleading satisfaction on a burning desire to play furra Sellik. Then, she told of her wife's burning desire to be Hoopy the Huddle Hound. Sounds like another exclusive awaits Wings Over Scotland? This fascination with furry animals and nappies. Anyways, Susie is part of Comedy Glasgow and in promoting the event she was asked to recommend two other Comics? She offered Liam Farrelly from Paisley and Zoe Lyons. I will save you the time, they are fellow products of apartheid education.Increasingly, PQ are determined to support the beneficiaries of denominational schooling. The scripted part of the show arrived as Susie revealed ra Sellik's half term figures. RAB Cosgrove was cautionary, "that £60 million in the bank is subject to Corporation Tax". Iona piped up with, "football clubs should always pay their tax bills". RAB replies, "absolutely, that tax pays for our hospitals and schools". Susie cackled, she was in on the joke. Going off the script, Iona was asked if a number of well known songs were considered part of the Scots traditional cannon? RAB wanted to know about Matt McGinn's 'wee Effen Bee' and 'the Jeely piece Song'? Tam inquired of, 'the Green Fields of France'? Iona remained strident, "My Degree was in Scottish song" and, proceeded to make a clown of herself. She deemed Green Fields to be Irish and not Scots. Further, the Jeely piece was Scots because it was penned by Matt McGinn too. Of course, the Wee Effen Bee is in reality the BIG Effen Bee and, the Jeely Piece was penned by Adam McNaughton. As for the Green Fields, it was written by Peebles born and bred, Eric Bogle. Do not worry Iona, the Gang Hut will ensure your errors will be politically generated by Rangers supporters, they are to blame. On Sunday, Off the Ball had Hugh MacDonald as their guest for the hundredth time. The former Literary Editor of the Herald is a practitioner of careful hate these days. He is a regular along with Token Tam on Peter Martin's PLZ Soccer - you will always receive a point of view, ie ra Sellik point of view. A couple of decades past as Literary Editor he allowed his love furra Sellik to cloud his judgement. In a summary of the years books, he took a few paragraphs to praise a tome entitled, 'Not Playing for Celtic' by David Bennie. Hugh concluded it was a far better take on football club supporting than Nick Hornby's Fever Pitch. I requested my Library to find a copy? The book ticked Hugh's boxes, east end Protestant lad decides to support local club, the pull of a floodlight Paradise was too strong. He is befriended by a local Priest who uses his influence to gain access to a number of Retreats because the lad suffers from a skin condition. Bennie criticises Hornby's book because his support for Arsenal lacked emotional depth. I seem to remember in Fever Pitch, Hornby describes being put to bed on a school night by his single parent mother and, Arsenal had just gone into extra time in their League Cup semi against Stoke City. His maw left a note of the result for him getting up the next morning, one nil Stoke. Hornby remarked, "if my Mother really loved me, she should have changed that result". BIG emotion? RAB has entered his eighth decade and as such we receive regular health updates. He has been diagnosed with pneumonia in one lung and is being treated. Further, his blood results have revealed he is at the lowest risk for prostrate cancer. It is good to know that RAB can continue to get it up and nothing gets him more excited than spending a broadcast weekend organising the weekly 'get it right up the H-U-NS weekend'. On Sunday, twice he returned to the Green Brigade's latest banner - VAR Decision, Douglas Ross is a Cnut. RAB loved it, loves the balaclava bhoys. I have never voted Tory in my life but I recognise the Scottish Tory leader continues to put something back into the game we all love. When will PQ do the decent thing and invite one of the Green Brigade into the Gang Hut?

Apparently he's now no longer in contention. I think they should go for an Australian.