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Time Gentlemen ! Third Player was Tery Butcher with 32 caps whilst at Ibrox. Club Nation Player Caps (total) First cap – Last cap Atlético Madrid Kieran Trippier 19 (40) 7 September 2019 – 9 October 2021 Barcelona Gary Lineker 24 (80) 15 October 1986 – 7 June 1989 Bari David Platt 10 (62) 11 September 1991 – 17 June 1992 Bayern Munich Owen Hargreaves 39 (42) 15 August 2001 – 28 Mar 2007[note 50] Borussia Dortmund Jadon Sancho 22 (23) 12 October 2018 – 11 July 2021 Jude Bellingham 22 12 November 2020 – 10 December 2022 Bursaspor Scott Carson 1 (4) 15 November 2011 Cardiff City Jay Bothroyd 1 17 November 2010 Celtic Fraser Forster 2 (6) 15 November 2013 – 7 June 2014 D.C. United Wayne Rooney 1 (120) 15 November 2018 1. FC Köln Tony Woodcock 18 (42) 22 November 1979 – 5 July 1982 Hamburger SV Kevin Keegan 25 (63) 8 June 1977 – 18 June 1980[note 51] Hibernian Joe Baker 5 (8) 18 November 1959 – 22 May 1960[note 52] Inter Milan Paul Ince 17 (53) 27 March 1996 – 10 June 1997 Juventus David Platt 10 (62) 9 September 1992 – 19 June 1993 Lazio Paul Gascoigne 12 (57) 14 October 1992 – 11 June 1995 LA Galaxy David Beckham 14 (115) 22 August 2007 – 14 October 2009[note 53] Marseille Chris Waddle 18 (62) 6 September 1989 – 16 October 1991 Milan Ray Wilkins 22 (84) 12 September 1984 – 12 November 1986 Monaco Glenn Hoddle 9 (53) 9 September 1987 – 18 June 1988 Rangers Terry Butcher 32 (77) 10 September 1986 – 4 July 1990 Real Madrid David Beckham 36 (115) 20 August 2003 – 6 June 2007 Roma Tammy Abraham 5 (11) 17 August 2021 – 11 June 2022 Sampdoria Trevor Francis 20 (52) 22 September 1982 – 23 April 1986 Swansea City Jonjo Shelvey 5 (6) 5 September 2015 – 17 November 2015 Torino Joe Hart 5 (75) 4 September 2016 – 15 November 2016 Werder Bremen Dave Watson 2 (65) 12 September 1979 – 17 October 19793 points
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Messi is a wee prick. I'd be looking at 6 points if it wasn't for his pointless wee dribble. 🤬3 points
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Already stated ad nauseum the PR and Communication stuff, I'm shoulder to shoulder with you there. I'm more than content that the Board ignore the spend,spend,spend short termism that inevitably backfires. We surely all should want the Club to run sustainably within its means? Again I concur. The reactive rather than proactive nature of our PR irks immensely and is clearly a form of self harming. Whilst the price stung there's a valid argument that actually they priced it correctly according to market demand. I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't think MyGers is a money raising scheme, it isn't perfect by any means but plenty are happy enough to join it. Such "loyalty" schemes are used all over Europe and beyond we're only playing catch up in that respect. I probably have even stronger feelings on this point than you, being a bus convener this has continually f*&ked me over, we can barely run a car to away games now let alone a bus. Removing Bar72 patrons from RSC lists has further compounded the situation for us. Fwiw safe standing is inevitable at some point but the simple fact of the matter is that it's way down the list of current priorities. One point I've noticed about some of those shouting for safe standing is a complete lack of understanding just what it is and what it entails. I hope those who do engage with the Club on the issue have a better understanding than the average keyboard warrior currently screaming for it. Personally I think when it is done it should be done correctly and those demanding the rail seating now because they have it accross the city would be selling the fans short in the longer term. Until recently I would have settled for wheelchair facilities that would have been far inferior those which the Club unveiled last week. I think the circumstances stances surrounding EH were pretty much outside the Boards control. Personally I'm absolutely delighted the sale of the Albion fell through if anything I'd like to see another storey on top of it. We should be looking to increase our property holdings in the vicinity of Ibrox not reduce them. That was a monumental failure of Murray's short term attitude during his tenure. I'm in the tiny minority that actually seen merit in the fixture Again I think it's maily the result of a PR and Communication failure which was entirely avoidable. I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash. I concur entirely, that was extremely disappointing to put it mildly. That's normal practice practically everywhere, can't see how that could possibly be regarded as a failure of the Board.3 points
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Two years of injury you say? Well Mr. Campbell...he has come to the right place! Sign him up.3 points
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RANGERS MIDFIELDER. Northern Ireland captain. British international record holder. Member of the British Empire. Now Steven Davis can also call himself a DOCTOR. His 140-caps for Northern Ireland is a British football record.Credit: Pacemaker He has been honoured by Queen's University in Belfast for his services to sport in his homeland. The veteran midfielder is the intelligent passer in the Ibrox midfield, now he has the letters after his name to go with it after being awarded an honorary degree. Davis, who has also held an MBE for services to football since 2017, will now join another illustrious list - as a Doctor of the University. Fellow Northern Irish football stalwart Julie Nelson was also awarded the same accolade at the special winter graduation ceremony.2 points
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The game hasn’t even started and they’re already fawning over Messi like flies on shit. Come on Croatia2 points
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I was always of the opinion that Murray was reasonably content to let the Club be criticised and castigated as long as it didn't spread to him and his empire. I get the employment of Jack Irvine by all the shady characters that have befallen us and agree with you as absolutely he was there to protect them personally at the Club's expense and you can argure that to large degree he succeeded in that brief. I digress with you regarding Whyte/Irvine assuming that is I'm reading it correctly. I too was extremely puzzled by the PR Communication strategy of for the want of a better term "good guys" at the tme around the "sale" to Whyte right through till the final push to the gazebo on the pitch. Iirc we were pretty much in tune at the time ploughing a very lonely furrow particularly in regards to Whyte et al. Looking back though I think I get their reasoning in doing it the way they did and in the cold light of day it I don't think it was as big an error as it appeared to me at the time. Post gazebo is an entirely different matter and like everyone else I'm both irked and puzzled by the whole PR and Communication strategy or rather non-strategy.2 points
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An example of constructive communication (at least at messages board level) 👏2 points
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At last, our guarding of old Delhi's walls has been recognised. We should celebrate on Thursday against Hibs by singing, 'On the Green Grassy slopes of the Ganges'.2 points
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I sometimes think the whole world is conspiring against those running RSC's as each season every little change just makes it harder and harder. Other RSC's we work with are faced with the same so we hardly get any swaps now as there's nothing to swap anymore. Had the Travel Club still existed I'd have probably opted out of MyGers too, I felt the Travel Club being discarded was an act of disgrace at the very least it should have been a separate sub-section within MyGers. Personally I think we're relatively stable politically save the DK/Club72 stuff which is purely related to filthy lucre despite any claims to the contrary. I share your pain and frustration.1 point
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@forlanssister thanks for the detailed response. Regarding RSC tickets and logistics, I used to be on the committee of our local RSC but "resigned" when I started working away in US / Canada. Now I'm back, I help out a little, so I feel your pain. Most away games we share with two or three other local RSC which usually means we can get a bus (usually a mini bus) for away games. I stopped going to away games and only go now when out RSC is struggling to shift their tickets (usually the likes of Livingston and St Johnstone). I know MyGers is a money making scheme and I didn't join it as I didn't agree with it. Really cutting my nose of to spite my face, but there you go! As I said in my reply to Stewarty I'm passed the stage of actively monitoring the political issues around the club, I just don't have the energy for it anymore. Bit when I see "easy fixes" and "own goals" it frustrates and disappoints me. The issues we've discussed are (mostly) easy to fix and would gain the board overwhelming support and shut the likes of me up 😉1 point
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@stewarty Thanks for the response and I understand that there is always a flip side to each "issue". Once upon a time, I could take the complement (if it was one 😀) about being passionate about all things Rangers (if I'm honest, at one stage it took over my life). People thought/think it was easy submitting articles for fanzines that had to be current and interesting (mimes were usually just rants - so not much has changed!). Through the fanzine community (ie contributors) I got my eyes open to David Murray. In the beginning there were a few lonely dissenting voices that tried to warn the wider fanbase, but it was akin to farting against thunder. And as I've mentioned before we had to endure threats, being spat on and chased from the front door at Ibrox. I was certainly passionate back then but if I'm honest, I'm now just a moaning faced old sh1t who should know better, but who likes to point out things I believe to be wrong (or broken). I will never be happy with a board (or a manager, or a team) until they are winning trebles, the SPFL most seasons, European trophies etc. I also know that that is not attainable at the moment (it is highly unlikely to be any time soon). However in my warped way of thinking, it's what I want out board to strive for and deliver. Some may say they are striving for this bit it'll take time. I understand that but as said above if there are areas I feel broken and that are easy to fix (and let's be honest most of the operational and communications issues highlighted are very easy to fix) then the board should move quickly to address. I know and understand most fans won't agree and I'm OK with that, I would worry for folks sanity if they did agree with me 😉 I just think of myself as the Gersnet resident Victor Meldrew1 point
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Should we get him to takeover from the current club doctor ? Couldn't do much worse ! Well done Steve ! British record for International caps is quite something. No-one is getting close to it for a good few years. Quick Quiz Question (No Google Allowed) Name the three England Internationalists to have won the most caps whilst playing outwith England. Edit. Answers at end of page 2. ps. tonight will see Modric win cap 161 and Messi, 171.1 point
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@CammyF I love the passion and you make a lot of really good points, but you're in danger of being blinkered and ignoring valid counter-arguments to the point where you end with an angry list of grievances, some of which are valid but alot can be argued against... Time for some devil's advocate replies... They are communicating, just not as well as they could. We are customers, just a particular breed of really passionate ones that pore over the minutiae of every single decision whether good or bad. They are attempting to fix issues over customer service (they've hired a new Customer Service Manager)and are planning a new solution for ticketing - Bisgrove himself has done the rounds with fan media (communicating no less!) where they explained in rough terms what the plan is, but from memory he also explained that this is just one of several other costs they are balancing. It comes down to priorities. This was a mis-step at worst. Its been massively overplayed. They have had the AGM a few weeks later where they've discussed the accounts in detail and offered themselves up for engagement on any topic. Its not their fault that some of the issues we want to know more about didn't come up in the Q&A. And some of the stuff that we want to know about, they will be restricted in what they can say if its commercially sensitive or legally priviliged. The UCL packages sold out. MyGers is nothing less than the majority of big clubs do themselves. There are aspects of it that I don't like about it either, but if we don't do it, we are putting ourselves further behind competitors in terms of being able to generate revenue. I remember having discussions on message boards and with friends about the complete lack of commercialisation of the fans and how we were missing out on lots of opportunities to generate revenue. We now have fan zones, a new venue next to the ground about to open up, a museum, bigger club shop. We are finally getting to the point where we are just about caught up. We were way behind for a number of years. I get that commoditising supporters feels wrong, and I think they'll need to re-think the UCL packages slightly, but overall I think the club are on the right track commercially. This one is tricky as we are limited by what other clubs are doing on this. We also need to balance the MyGers offering by making sure this is a route that supporters have to getting to away games. I'm not close enough to these issues though as I'm not an RSC member. Thats just not true. There have been many discussions over the years, its just that the club has other priorities. Are the Board to blame for inflation? Personally I didn't have a major issue with the game if it helped generate much needed revenue. But there was a groundswell of opinion against it and they played funny buggers with regards to various aspects that we are counter-suing over... I suspect that had we won the league or the EL, we would have been baws oot in Sydney and Celtic would have been the ones to withdraw. Getting into some hyperbole here. https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/150th-anniversary-celebrations/38GTGEBz2s5Buct4GraBAW#:~:text=March 2022 is a focal,well as the Blue Sky There was no secrecy regarding senior people leaving - we had press releases for David Graham and Barry Scott, and the latter was announced to LSE and recorded on Companies House. Ambassadors? I'll give you that one but we have lots of club legends who do that kind of work from time to time... its neither a secret nor something I'm overly worried.1 point
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On the face of that tweet, it would be another outside bet but with a low stake.1 point
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Just waiting on @Ted McMinnime and @BEARGER...1 point
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Thanks for the reply ! Communicating with the fanbase is quite a daunting responsibility for an ordinaty mortal and goes way beyond anything the directors will have come accross in their own business environment. Microscopic analysis is almost immediately applied by what must seem like half the country, all of the media and reaction soon follows. What we (as a club) have tended to do over the years is communicate with the fanbase, telling the fanbase what we think they want to hear / what we think will go down well and/or anything to distract from poor performance or boardroom shenanigans (spivs). Sir Duped mainly used the MSM to get his narrative to dominate and have most of the support in the palm of his hand. When things got difficult he would line up the legends to support him in same MSM. He eventually hired Mediahouse, mainly to protect himself. Jack Irvine (Mediahouse) was used as what I called a Continuity Bridge between various spivs taking the reigns (Not CWhyte IIRC). ie. hired and paid for by the club to protect and shield the spivs. IIRC he would also brief Ashley's PR man, Bishop. In 2013 I got a fleeting glimpse at relevant attitudes to professional PR that I didn't think important beyond that particular moment, but now I wonder. In the long lead up to the December AGM, one group opposing the spivs contacted me, mainly to help relay some information onto the FF messageboard. I'd get the info via PM on FF. Then a go between (an ex journalist at The Glasgow Herald & BBC) would speak to me about things and would ask me for my view on X or Y. He said the group lacked a PR consultant and were considering hiring one but in his last email to me, said that Paul Murray had said he'd do the PR stuff. Firstly, I couldn't believe that this group would ask the opinion on X or Y from a punter on a messageboard. Relay info, yes but consult in an area that I had no training or experience in !!! Secondly, that they decided not to go with professional PR and predictably had their arse handed to them by Irvine. Moving on,.... to his credit, Paul Murray came out on RTV in April 2015 laying out a realistic projected timetable as to the next 3-5 years. Dave King repeated the strategy of Constructive/Structured losses funded by directors/investors. Jim Traynor and David Graham came and went. Another two who hadn't much, if any, direct experience in PR. Positive change was that they were hired to protect the actual club....BUT No surprise the rookies ended up as two poor appointments. We have spent years heavily focusing on the positives and regards finance, have recently had to give the fanbase a crash course in the negatives, to partly justify their own (in)actions. Alignment has been a popular buzz word for the board but it needs to incorporate the fanbase, using reality and not just positivity. Despite the business experience of the Rangers board, I don't think they know what they are doing when it comes to communication. I think they are almost daunted by it and it now looks as though they are winging it , crossing their fingers that Beale is a success and keeping the support happy (and quiet).1 point
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That’s actually an important award but I can’t see the msm giving it much attention.1 point
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Anyone mentioned Billy Gilmour yet?1 point
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Surprised that Sturgeon missed that photo-op. Oh......wait.....1 point
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Maybe have a word with them about some catering1 point
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Lawwell was a Dictators Dictator all powerful and answerable to one man. We have a collegiate structure than relies on the MD reporting to a Board and that Board reaching a consensus. Lawwell was virtually autonomous.1 point