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in your opinion I've said I see differently, he was watching the ball not the player and the goalkeeper came rushing out, there's a split second to make a choice and he did what I would have wanted any player to do which is go for the ball and try and score. he did not mean to hurt the keeper but unfortunately he did and rightly got sent off but it was a misjudgement and mistake, you can keep going but i've said and explained what i think,6 points
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you are at it as ever. Frankly you spend a lot of time on a team you come across as hating. He got to the ball well before the keeper. if that had been 2 foot lower it's a pen and a red card for the keeper. he has no idea where the keeper is and the keeper is really brave to go in there and win the game in that moment.5 points
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I'd be really unhappy with a striker who had pulled out of that, when we're chasing such an important match. It was reckless but there was no malice in it. He got a deserved red card and that's that really.4 points
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Life is more tolerable when you don't pay much attention to comments sections on Twitter/Facebook/Instagram. They're largely inhabited by overgrown children and attention-seekers. It isn't the real world. I'm not sure why a racist comment made by a Czech footballer or some of the racist crap Roofe/Kamara and several Premiership footballers have recently had to put up with means we all have to self reflect. Should I self reflect when Messi doesn't meet his tax obligations or when a celeb selfie on Instagram prompts comments about obesity or ugliness? Goldson said in his interview yesterday that taking the knee is a 'token gesture', so it's about time the patronising box-ticking stopped and the football authorities and Police deal with racist acts accordingly.4 points
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Racist Encounters in Scottish Football(Part 1). I cannot imagine my upbringing in deepest, darkest Lanarkshire in the 60s and early 70s differed much from anyone else in Scotland in those times. We are all products of our conditioning. I attended a village primary school, and only three of the school roll did not share the pigmentation of my skin. A pair of Hindu twins, who also attended Cubs with me, were present for a couple of years before being whisked off to private school. The third lad was a couple of years below, he was of African origin and adopted by white parents through the auspices of the church. Mostly, we called him "Davy". I have recounted my Amateur footballing experiences back in the day, and Davy's participation was a law of diminishing returns. He was a more than decent footballer but every time he stepped on to the pitch, the racism was overwhelming. At Fir Park Boys' Club, a Coach inquired, "where's Davy"? A couple of hands were raised, the Coach looked and said, "naw, Davy the Darkie"! I became aware that unmeant casual racism was just as hurtful. Davy was a big Rangers supporter and a regular attendee at Ibrox with both his old man and our grouping. Davy loved Dave Smith Celtic had an effective winger at the time, Paul Wilson a player of mixed parentage. I don't want to stray into Meghan Markle territory, but Wilson had a sallow complexion We Rangers fans sung a song of homage, "I'd rather be a Darkie than a Tim". It was a cause of great hilarity on the terrace steps, when our grouping, including Davy belted out the ditty. Davy sang it liked he meant it; there must have been comfort in the acceptance. Black players of the time, were Pele and Eusabio. Nearer home, the only black guy regular turning out was West Ham's Clyde Best. Davy received the comparisons, but he had a good line, "I prefer George". I am not excusing the racism existing at that time, I am recounting the times. Education is the thing, tertiary education focused my mind. The music I adored was Southern Soul, my heroes were Otis Redding, Al Green, Ann Peebles, .... etc. Davy's fave rave was the Average White Band and we attended a few of the Mighty Whities gigs together. The last time I socialised with Davy was at Ibrox for the final of the Tennent Caledonian Cup against West Bromwich Albion. It concluded with a deserving 0-2 for the Baggies and the majority of the 65,000 crowd applauded them from the pitch. Ron Atkinson had assemble a hell of a team, Batson, Cunningham, and, Regis were the epitome of speed and balance. Throw in Robson, Wullie Johnston and, Ally Robertson and you had Britain's first genuine multi-racial talented team. At that time, our preferred place at Ibrox was the far end of the West Enclosure. It was a tad higher and provided a most decent view down the ground. A dozen of us, late teens to early twenties were in early and had a great view of dozens of our fellow Bears racially abusing West Brom's black players. It was all verbal, but appalling. I would like to say we confronted some of those screaming abuse, but we didn't. A few of us apologised to Davy, he shrugged his shoulders and offered, "average white guy behaviour". I felt small and decided to be a better man. Early in my Army career, I received a letter from my Mother, it was a few weeks in arriving as I was attending the Army Jungle School in Borneo. It told of Davy's suicide. Initially, my concern was my own discomfort. A few months later, I was participating for several weeks in one of those huge mobilisation exercises in West Germany. Those exercises ran on their own timings, usually a couple of hours ahead of local time, called, 'Zulu Time'. I was asked the time by a black Sergeant and I replied, "Zulu time"? I spent a few minutes profusely apologising and explained about Davy. He laughed and told me to calm down and explained the phonetic alphabet. I returned home on leave and met Davy's old man walking the family dog. There were tears and I was told the member of the family/community that missed Davy most, was the family dog because she could not see colour. Part 2 will begin on another period of leave, New Years 1988 and Rangers announced the signing from Aston Villa of Mark Walters.3 points
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roofe got to the ball a meter in front of the keeper. It certainly was no where near a 50/50 100/03 points
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Are you suggesting he shouldn't have challenged for a 50/50? We can agree to disagree. It's a red card, but I still think he should be going for it.3 points
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Why has our home governing body said absolutely nothing to back us up here?3 points
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Sometimes these things happen in football. I remember one game I played in the opposing team had a throw in, I was on the line to prevent the nearest player from receiving the ball on the line, the ball was thrown down the line, I had my eyes on the ball all the way as it was going over my head, as I followed the ball I raised my foot to try and get a touch as I turned, one of their players was coming in to head the ball on and my foot went right into the guys face, I was quite upset when it happened, as the guy fell to the ground I thought I had taken his teeth out, I immediately went to see if he was ok, the ref called me over and said I was going to book you but I seen how concerned you were and it was a total accident. Sometimes you can make a misjudgment and get it totally wrong, it's football it happens!. Roofe got it wrong but there was no malice in it, it was a red card for dangerous play, IMO.2 points
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I was there when we beat them 4-2 on NYD '94. Nothing will ever beat that (it was my first time there).2 points
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You don't see that from Separate Entity FC!!, well done both Dundee clubs for backing Kamara2 points
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Putting your boot up at head height is only a bad thing with hindsight? The fact that it hit someone in the head is so unexpected that it's only with hindsight that people would think there's a chance it could injure someone? Their keeper is lucky it wasn't more serious, and if it had happened to one of our players, we'd be going off our heads.2 points
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Am I the only one who thinks it’s just as well there’s no spectators tomorrow? Imagine us going there tomorrow having ended their 10IAR ? Visions of 1999 all over again2 points
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Instead he got himself sent off and killed any chance we had of getting back in the game. Is that not ten times worse than thinking about what may happen and not going for the ball?2 points
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I'm with Bill on this, there's no way racism is worse than it's ever been, but what I do take, and agree, from Connor Goldsons comments is that it's been steadily getting worse online over the last wee while. I recall being at a game against Parma, one of our greatest European nights at a rocking Ibrox, and at a break in play some wee f'in ned a few rows on front gives the monkey stuff to the a man who was possibly one of the best defenders in world football at the time. I wanted to choke the wee bastard, Thuram should have gone away with the sound of Ibrox bursting with joy in his ears, not that shite. I think we've come a long way since even that short time ago.2 points
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It's like doing 70 in a 30 and a kid steps out in front of you. There may have been zero intent but you should still be aware of the possibility of doing someone serious harm and not do it.2 points
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Stuart has let down the whole of Scotland with his vile take on things. Well said Ferdinand.2 points
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oh it's a red. But there is zero intent and we should recognise that.2 points
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I don’t think so, gs. Red card because of recklessness rather than evil intent. Should Roofe have gone for it? I can’t make up my mind. @PoohBear and @johnnykhave different opinions. Either could be right.2 points
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In this country I think real racism only lurks in a few remaining dark corners. Compared to when I was young there are very few determined racists around and most who are so inclined tend to keep it to themselves because they now know they will be heavily criticised, or worse. The big exception, as you rightly identify, is social media, which acts like an amplifier for bigots while suppressing serious debate. But that too will get sorted out in due course. I honestly think we're further along the road on this than many think, which is why there's such profound distaste at the Kamara abuse. Let's be honest, Rangers is a club whose support has been adept at issuing abuse. I see and hear much less of it now. Like general society, we ourselves have come a long way in that respect and it would be a shame not to acknowledge it and wring our hands in the emotion of the moment.2 points
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The difference now is down to saturation cover by television,the onset of SOCIAL MEDIA??(what's social about it??) which glorifies any situation or totally allows the degrading of coloured persons. The immediate appearance of agitators/do-gooders,as in the recent silent vigil gatherings, causes most of the problems.2 points
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Finally something I agree with! Id love to be there tomorrow. I feel as nervous tonight as I usually do. I would love to rub their nose in it tomorrow. Brown Griffiths etc deserve every single bit of it1 point
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I haven't been to that cesspit since the McLeish era but there's nothing like watching Rangers win there. We, as a society, just seem to live in a constant state of fear these days. I wish there was a full house tomorrow, so we could watch the yahoos losing their shit and the Bears having a party.1 point
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it wasn't even a 50/50 you are right as he got the ball first, he had every right to go for it, you disagree fine but that doesn't mean you are right.1 point
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Hamza Usef has condemned it already. Has he asked the police to investigate though? Have we for that matter? The SFA should be all over this and the SPFA1 point
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Sensible business but we really need to be starting next season with his replacement in the starting line up1 point
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Played at 15 years of age in the first team and alongside the great John Charles an excellent footballer .1 point
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In my opinion self-reflection is always worthwhile for these things. In this very thread you tried to correct me for using outdated terminology and pushed me to use other terms that I believe are actually now deemed offensive in themselves. I'm not bothered by that by the way, but it shows that reflection isn't a punishment, it's just an attempt to try and understand why those terms may be now be offensive. Most of us have been there and unintentionally said something offensive, but if you're willing to reflect on why or how that's the most important thing.1 point
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The lack of action from social media companies is a joke. Is it that hard to have an AI police posts and dms? I think not, and also the lack of action from the authorities to ensure these companies get in order is a joke too. I think I’ve personally become more and more aware of racism in recent years through my own learning. I’ve had my own failings too with a form of racism which I never realised until recently, we should always be prepared to learn and change our ways for the better. Understanding the nuance is so important these days. However, at least we are at the point where it’s shocking to see what happened to Kamara during the match, not so long ago people wouldn’t flinch at a banana getting thrown on the field.1 point
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Bill is right. The only reason you think racism is the worst it’s ever been is due to the platform of social media. just thinking logically, how can any of us say that racism is worse now than the days of segregation ? It isn’t, a distance has been travelled since those days, but clearly a greater distance still remains.1 point
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I think Benzema will be the difference. He is on form and will be happy to play against Liverpool's make shift centre halfs. They should get a lead in the 1st leg at home and hold onto it an Anfield as there will be no 12th man (crowd) to help turn it around.1 point
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I don’t think we play as well on a full week between games, and the title hangover seems to be a long one, which makes me doubt we will find our form sufficiently to remain unbeaten domestically for the remaining games. Our “not half of anything” opponents on Sunday have had a full fortnight to focus on this one game to try to give their fans something back after a monumental balls up of a season , so they should really start as strong favourites for this one. The added hurt going through our club for the racism suffered by Kamara, and the huge media attention it has brought, can only add to our difficulties in preparing for what would normally be one of our biggest and most looked forward to games of the season. Will our minds really be on the job? Will our players have recovered mentally and physically from last night? Will we be able to raise our game for what is effectively a dead rubber match? I would grab a draw with both hands, but I fail to see the bheasts ever getting a better chance to beat us than on Sunday.1 point
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If the abuse of Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe shows anything, it's the pointlessness of pretending that a kneeling gesture will somehow buffer black players from racial abuse, or that those who perform the ritual will never abuse others. The problem isn't caused by not taking a knee, any more than it's solved by kneeling. The problem is a serious one but entirely disengaged from BLM-inspired rituals. There's a danger that knee-taking and other social signalling only provides a shield of false virtue for actual racists to hide behind. Kneel or don't kneel but don't pretend it has any positive effect on those who perpetrated racism before kneeling started and, the evidence shows, will certainly not now be dissuaded by the ritual of footballers taking a knee1 point
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Again IMO he has every right to go for that ball, he could have scored if the keeper never got there or stayed back. These things happen quickly in games and once your mind is made up if you pull out then you can get injured. It was unfortunate what happened but he had every right to go for it.1 point
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Wee remark on Roofe`s red card. The pics I`ve seen seem to show that Roofe went in there kung-fu style. The pics we saw of Kent boxing Brown on the chin were equally deceptive, since Kent never touched Brown. Here, as you can see in the moving picture (2.30 onwards), Roofe attempts to get the long ball from Goldson down and only watches the ball right to the last moment. Likewise, the goalie seemingly doesn`t know whether to stick or twist and ends up in a heap. Roofe went in there, hit the player and as such, a red card is a valid option for the ref. Had the goalie stood back, no-one would argue at Roofe`s attempt of getting the ball down with his foot. Just saying. Generally, once I saw the line-up yesterday, my gut feeling told me that this wasn`t going to be our night. I was away at work, but going from last weeks game, keeping up (again) with Plan A was not getting us anywhere with this lot. They have quality and know how to play the game, unsportingly or not. This should have been a night to hit them at their only weakness, their defence. We decided to remove the threat of Hagi`s quick passing skills and creativity, and likewise hoping that Aribo would provide those goods. Whiel Arfield, who has been at best a good impact player for these last few months, was meant to ... well, fill the gap between the striker and the midfield? I don`t know. If it was me, I`d thrown on Kent, Hagi and Wright (whom no European opponent have yet seen) in behind Morelos, or Roofe from the off. As it stood, we handed all the initiative to Slavia from the off and never really got going (again). It might also quite well be the case that some of the relentlessness and spark went with 55, even though players and staff might argue with that. IMHO, since snatching 55, over the 2 legs, we probably only played like we use to do for some 20-30 mins in Prague. Let`s hope we can rally the troops for Sunday. https://streamable.com/ak0nwf1 point