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As do the coin throwers, they should be identified and banned for life. I've (like 1000s of others) followed Rangers home and away since 1983. I've witnessed defeats on par and much worse than yesterday whilst drunk, having a few beers and stone cold sober. I've never, repeat never felt the need to throw coins (or any other objects). Find them and ban them.

had to come on and get a few things off my chest after looking at the social media fall out from last nights result. where to start? well everyone i had spoke to (even after wednesday) saw this result coming. why? simply because domestically we have been terrible since our return in january. i really hope this is the wake-up call gerrard and his backroom team needed. there is no doubt that we have made great strides under gerrard since he came in but this summer will be where we see if he had learned from his mistakes. we finished last season on fire and that perhaps made him think we were better than we actually were so he opted to go for more strength in depth than actually improving our starting xi, same could be said in january just past due to our first half form. i think we can all now see that we now need to improve our starting xi. i am not going to single out players but what i will say is for the first time in nearly a decade we have sellable assets who, if the right offer is received, should be moved on and that money should be re-invested to improve that starting xi - not the squad as a whole. after 20 months we STILL have players picking up a wage who offer nothing. that just can’t continue moving forward. we may be in a lucky position this year that many contracts will expire of some of those squad players. they are the legacy of previous managers and a darker time for us. once these players leave we can use their wages, again to strengthen our starting xi and make a proper go of this next year. guys like foderingham, alwnick, flanagan, halliday, holt, rossiter, murphy, stewart, jones, ojo and barker will all be on decent money and are offering us next to nothing for what we have invested in them. but we can’t continue to demand the removal of managers after a few poor results. there seems to be an obsession within some of our support with stopping celtic winning 10 in a row. i want to look at ourselves. yes it’s shit watching them hoover up trophy after trophy BUT our time will come, but we need to keep to the plan and not just rip it up after a few bad results. constantly going back to square one is never gonna get us anywhere. i don’t believe gerrard is a quitter and it certainly would shock me if he was to leave us but he does need to ask himself a few honest questions. has he been too loyal to certain players who continue to let him down when the big games arrive? i think so, but i also think gerrard is determined to be a success at rangers and he will make the changes needed to become a success. for me he has to tell his players straight - they have from now until may to prove they are good enough to be at rangers. let’s back the manager guys!

Him and his brother are nothing but a nuisance, serving their own self-interests.

problem, is our players don't know what a big game is, last night was a big game, every unglamorous league fixture, is a big game. Braga was not a big game, Europe is a seasonal bonus nothing more.

Agree with most of that DB but at the start of the season we were physically asserting ourselves. We had changed from a team being bullied to winning first balls. Everyone was saying the same. We’ve now reverted to being a soft touch in certain games. Maybe the season is just too long for this squad. Celtic haven’t played well but they have 2 or 3 players who grab the games by the scruff of the neck and drag their team through. The refereeing may also be knocking the spirit out of players. It can’t be easy to know they should be on level points and a lot of their effort is undone by blatant cheating. Every week there is another example. A stonewall penalty disallowed before Hearts similar claim (tho Naismith apparently handled first) and the clearest second yellow for handball you will ever see.

That 2010-2011 team is no better that the one we have. The difference is that Walter absolutely knew what was required to win in Scotland. With one exceptional season aside, he had a habit of being found out in Europe but in the domestic game he pretty much had all the keys to all the doors.

Look at what happened with Keating. I honestly think VAR wouldn't work in Scotland, the officials are that shit. Money would be better spent on making them full time and giving them better training.

Well Papac had been there and done as they say the new boy's a work in progress

Davis is finished. The Steven Davis playing for Rangers now is a shadow of the Steven Davis who left in 2012.

i understand that but these are pro footballers, some of them international footballers. you telling me they couldn’t play a 4-4-2 against hamilton at ibrox?

Would this be a bad time to regret the loss of Josh Windass? Thought so.

A degree of realism is needed celtc have double the budget of us. If we were to win the league it would be a massive upset.

As Gaspard says....some players seem to pick and chose what constitues a BIG game. When you play for Rangers every game is as important as the next to win....we have players who have never been or never will be winners.

unlike you, who turned the TV off during the match. NS

At the end of the day, even though this season ain't over, it very much looks like that SG & Co. have build a good side for a "4-3-3" game against teams that play open and modern football. As we can see in our European runs this and last season. What he seemingly again has failed to build or select is a side that can cope with the dross that is hailed as "Scottish football", a game that is essentially made up of teams willing to destroy any sort of techincal football by digging in and being physically better than quality sides. Every now and then these teams acquire a decent footballer for their style (i.e. counter attacking brickwall stuff) or rear their own odd talent to sell it off at the first opportunity. One might be tempted and say that we should not lower ourselves to this kind of level, which is fair enough. But what we do need is to beat teams of that level. That is what Walter's sides did in days gone by. Don't be pretty, don't be fanciful, but get the odd goal more to beat that dross on a continual basis. The Scum are the top of that pile of dung and have a manager that goes with it. They beat the Scottish opposition and that is at the end of the day all that counts.

Just start buying tickets for matches. If noble men like you would actually attend matches then there would be no tickets left for coin throwers.

I agree.

There is no excuse for throwing coins at matches. People who do it are not welcome. Similarly if 'PoohBear' wants to direct verbal abuse at Rangers supporters then he will find a more welcoming audience elsewhere.

Are you serious? Anything goes at a football match when your team is being beaten and anyone who wasn't there can't comment on any behaviour at all? What else is just fine? Throw anything at all that comes to hand and it's justified and not open to comment unless you were there? Need to be at Easter road to call the bottle thrower a wank when his team were being drubbed otherwise say nothing? The object throwing at Fir park is just fine because their team were being beaten and you can only comment on it if you were there? I can find no words to describe the absurdity of that. Actually I could but I wasn't there so I can't comment apparently.

God no.

Of course it will. As bad as it feels today, after what we've been through these last 8 years, I can cope with this. Steven Gerrard publicly apologised for that performance today, that's all I needed to hear for now.

Another appalling refereeing performance.Surprised little mention of it on here For starters we should have had a penalty when Kent got impeded in the box. Anywhere else on the pitch that’s a foul. Of course Hertz should have had a penalty too when Edmundson handled but from resultant corner Damour (already on a yellow)deliberately handles. A second yellow card which becomes a red card and a sending off. There were also various other baffling decisions but no one at Rangers seems to want to challenge the increasing number of decisions going against us

Whether it has any bearing or not, from the names listed ,there were eight Scots in the 2010/11 side, compared to just two.

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Looking at the refereeing performance in Braga last week it was entirely obvious by comparison how poor refs are in Scotland - and transparent that neither VAR nor any amount of training can solve our problems. Every club in Scotland bar one suffers weekly from incompetent referees but we suffer from something far worse.

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Is it really worth commenting on referees in Scotland they are so poor that if VAR were introduced we would have games lasting over two hours trying to sort out their failings and would soon have empty stadiums.

Totally agree, that aggressive press seems to have disappeared. The only time I've seen it recently is when Hearts have done it to us....

Prior to the break we seemed to work more as a unit and collectively put pressure on the opposition player who had the ball. That intensity seems to have dropped off which is giving teams the opportunity to move forward in attack and create chances.

Naismith has always been good in the air it is his timing of jumps. Hate to say but we need a lego muncher type in midfield breaking up moves,receiving passes and distributing cleanly to those in space.

Agree up to a point but we have probably been hoping for too much from some of those experienced players. Davis blows hot and cold, and especially cold if opposition midfielders harry him and don't give him space. Defoe is excellent and looks like he genuinely cares. He still offers a real threat but too often we are lumping balls in to him rather than looking for something whipped in low from wide positions for him to run on to. His injury hasn't helped us at a critical time. McCauley was a fucking disaster and a complete waste of time and money. We should not be relying so much on players at the fag end of their careers. They can do it in the odd game but over a whole season they are going to give you quite a few games like yesterday. Other than Defoe I don't think these veterans have necessarily improved the younger players as much as we would have hoped they would. Maybe I'm wrong but I would rather have taken players 4-5 years younger and with more energy because in the league we're in you can't carry passengers and too often the likes of Davis are passengers.

Well we did in the form of Helander but his long term injury has probably cost us more than any of us realised at the time. Edmundson was expected to be 4th choice centre back behind Goldson, Katic and Helander so we can't blame him too much. Nobody foresaw how Goldson and Katic would turn into headless chickens since the turn of the year. We should not be getting caught out with long balls as often as we have been. That's just basic defending and it's not like we are up against Messi or Ronaldo week in week out.

Now you bring him up, maybe we are not so bad after all....

Getting rid off ‘poorer squad players’ is never easy because they’ll be on wages at Rangers they won’t get anywhere else.

No Bill!..... Sorry but the season should be null and void. It's the only logical solution as nobody can predict the future. The fact that Timmy would be in a meltdown would be box office! Also, the idea there would be pressure on social services, the likes of which we have never seen, would be a wonderful added bonus???

just to use wednesday against hamilton as an example. what is wrong with trying something different? realistically we have nothing to lose. why not try a 3-5-2 or a 4-4-2. just try something different. a good manager will be able to make changes when needed. mcgregor katic, goldson, edmundon tavernier, kamara, davis, aribo, barisic kamberi, hagi have goldson sweeping and have morelos & kent on the bench if it isn’t working. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” the above could be true of continuing with 4-3-3 against the teams who want to just defend for 90 mins and aim for a 0-0 draw.

A lot of Gerrard’s problems come from poor recruitment last summer. The likes of Jones, Barker, Stewart, Hastie, Ojo & Edmundson haven’t made much of an impact for one reason or another. Only really Helander & Aribo have made any real impact & Helander’s been injured for the past 3 months. And ironically the two loaners who arrived in January, Hagi & Kamberi have looked the best of all recruits so far this season in my opinion. That’s not a good situation to be in.

Kamberi ahead of Morelos? Actually no. It should be either Kamberi, Morelos, Stewart and Defoe, i.e. 2 strikers up top. It looks like these Scottish games are made for the likes of Docherty (who is seemingly doing well in the enforcer role at Hibs ... of all people), Jones, Stewart et al, even Barker if given a run in the team. Likewise, as much as opposition sides have sussed us out for a good few number of years, it should be possible to analyze each team`s style and counter that, i.e. place defenders as need be, put enforcers and DMs on "playmakers" or possible counter-attackers. At least when it looks like now that we can't impose ourselves in games and stop loosing control. All too obvious since the turn of the year. Have we got the personnell right now? Who knows ... as we play the same people all the time. Hamilton at home might be a good starting point to let Jones, Hastie et al lose and hand them a chance to impress.

Thing was Henderson who has played most of the games was out as well as a good reader of a game he adds a bit of muscle in their middle this is what we are sadly and badly lacking

I still can't get over Gerrard replacing Arfield with Ojo.

Constantly starting Kent is the main reason I'm having doubts about SG. The lad is useless at the moment and needs dropped. Then there're playing Hagi wide and waiting for other teams to go ahead before making changes. He needs to start using his head.

SG is.

The only ones who should be apologising are the players who let themselves,us fans and more importantly the club down.

This is definitely a crisis but like all genuine crises it's also an opportunity to break inertia and change direction. There are two realistic options for all of us - either give up supporting Rangers .... or go again.

A question for the doubters. What would it take to convince you of referee corruption - deliberately taking decisions that disadvantage Rangers and deliberately taking decisions to favour Celtic? You're never going to get it in writing, nor are you going to get a guilty referee confessing anything (well not unless you're a Catholic priest anyway), so what is it you expect to see that you're not seeing today?