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Cue joke about indie supporter posting stats that they don't understand. ?? Sorry, couldn't resist.

It could be their best statement yet.

Club 1872 statement Dear Member, On 23rd February, James Dornan MSP, during a Twitter exchange in which he misrepresented the Club 1872 position on unacceptable behaviour, made the false allegation that “Club 1872 abuse me regularly on their website." This statement by Mr Dornan was an outright lie. Club 1872 has not mentioned him on our website, let alone subjected him to regular “abuse”. We wrote to Mr Dornan, giving him the opportunity to delete his tweet and to make a public apology but we have received no response and no apology has been forthcoming. It is completely unacceptable for an elected representative to make demonstrably false accusations about our organisation or its individual directors, all of whom are volunteers. Mr Dornan’s risible attempts to ‘combat sectarianism’ by smearing groups and individuals, undermines genuine and sincere work against prejudice and discrimination. In doing so he raises questions not only of his competence to be Convenor of the Cross Party Group on Combatting SectarIanism but also of his fitness for public office at any level. We do not believe that Mr Dornan is a fit and proper person to act as convener of that group and we will now write to his colleagues to request his removal. It is incomprehensible that Mr Dornan was able to take up this position in the first place given his selective approach to sectarian issues - including an incident where he posed in front of the flag of a proscribed terrorist organisation. We will also contact Rangers to make them aware of this incident and to urge them to be extremely cautious over Mr Dornan’s publicity seeking, public announcement expressing his wish to meet with them. Rangers and Club 1872 should always engage with any individual or group seeking to genuinely address issues around unacceptable behaviour. We firmly believe that Mr Dornan does not fall into that bracket.

Good article supporting the fans' protest ... https://footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com/2019/02/28/murdoch-maclennans-greater-second-conflict-of-interest-being-chairman-of-the-press-association-group-and-the-spfl/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I don't think there has been any violence as such but there is a sinister tone adopted IMO. Why walk behind such a violent banner (image of fan kicking a Celtic fan). Why cover your face? The fact that they actually did this outside the marvellous facade of Ibrox on Edmiston Dr still makes me sick tbh. I wouldn't be seen dead in this sort of protest. To me it's the same "look at us" headline seeking nonsense that happens across the city with GB. Just support your team ffs.

Can someone get pete a Doctor?

Murdoch MacLennan's name should feature prominently on any banners held outside PQ. It highlights the link and adds another legitimate reason for protest.

I was wondering what I was going to watch. Now I know.

Quite often. Tragicomedy on an epic scale.

No, it's definitely not Mumsnet. Mumsnet has teeth and balls. Few take on Mumsnet and walk away. Unlike our own shrinking violets parading their sensitivities about UB and VB ?

The truth is I don't agree with their politics either @Bluedell but I'll defend their right to have a political opinion regardless of whether I agree with it or not. Its a situation I have previous in. In my final year of Uni 92' I canvassed the University senate into hearing debate against SLAB Murphy position. He had just taken over as the president of the SNUS and had dictatorially refused to affiliate the RCP now RCS (revolutionary communist society). Incidentally theirs was and still is a political opinion I do not agree with. My position was that its not Murphy or new labours job to decide what political discourse undergraduates are entitled to read or discuss and I'll be damned if I'd allow him or his party to dictate to us what is. Other than the RCS president I was the only speaker. The senate agreed with my position and had them affiliated. It seems to me that the UB hold political views that some are are uncomfortable with hence their stance on them however there are others within the Rangers support who simply see them as an annoyance. Neither of these positions sit well with me.

The "it's OK to kick Morelos because he'll just kick me back" is just part of the anti-Morelos campaign, and is an attempt to normalise kicking him on a regular basis.

Do councillors ever change? Do council priorities ever change? Does policing ever change? Do police treat football supporters the same as other parts of society? As for Rangers, well I hope not and have no reason to suspect they are. However, I wouldn't have trusted some of the people who've 'controlled' us in the recent past and none of us know what the future holds. I spent my formative days watching football from terraces. I had a season ticket for the Enclosure whilst it was still terraced, I get the nostalgia trip some have for it but it doesn't change the fact that seated stadiums are safer than terraces. The day of the Hillsborough disaster I was at Parkhead watching Rangers in a cup match. We were in the 'Jungle' as it was called, an infamous terrace frequented by Celtic's hardcore support. It was my first visit to that end of the ground. The place was a death trap, how nobody died accessing or leaving that place I'll never know. That day, when 96 football supporter's were crushed to death because the police viewed them as sub-human, and because the people whose job it was to ensure safety were, at best incompetent, at worst negligent, I saw Rangers supporters literally punch each other to try and escape a crush leaving Parkhead. The worst of it RS is it wasn't a big surprise, I'd seen that before and I saw it again after. At Brockville I was in a crush that saw people hospitalised, I've no proof but I'm fairly sure turnstyle operators were allowing more people in than they should have, people can be greedy without thinking of the possible consequences. I was in a crush at East End Park at half time where a woman broke her leg. I can still hear the snap sound, everyone within 20 feet of her heard it, followed by her cry of pain. Ambulance staff couldn't reach her and she ended up being passed down over supporter's heads. I saw crushes at Easter Road on one of our very first matches on the 90s, we greeted the new decade with a return to the 1940s complete with police who didn't even try and hide their contempt for us far less help. The irony is once the danger passed, you laughed about it, shrugged it off, cursed the shithole ground you were at and walked back to the bus or train, adrenaline and camaraderie doing their jobs on your mindset. Yip, I know, it's different now. It couldn't happen today, things have changed, standards are higher, people are different. Well I don't buy it. Football fans, ours in particular, are still viewed as sub-human by some people, people in positions of power too. The thing I always keep in mind is there were 25 people killed at Ibrox when a stand collapsed in 1902. We changed the ground after that, at great expense to the club both on and off the park. Yet, despite that it happened again, and more people died. I'm fairly certain those in charge said this can never happen again after that incident, I'm sure they meant it too. I'm not inclined to find out if it could happen.

Well I don't trust Glasgow Council who'd be issuing the Safety Certificate, I don't trust Police Scotland who'd are ultimately responsible for public safety and policing of events and, in truth, I don't trust any football club to put safety over money, not even ours. As you know 66 people didn't come home from one of our matches, it wasn't the first time either. Our ground has been one of the safest in the country since then, I can think of no good reason to start reversing that. I'm sure when it was first opened it would be pristine and well regulated and under scrutiny, but after a few years it would become part of the furniture, and if money got tight maybe they could do the barrier work every other year, it'll be fine, and perhaps we could fit a few more fans in there and so on. I was brought up on terraces and I saw the worst of them first hand. I don't welcome them back.

I also presume it means that. I was hoping one of the smart arses on here would explain it to the rest of us.

Whit aboot these 2 dumpling presenters on the park at half time McDonald and Thompson ? talk aboot the woodentops Cracking header fromRudden though.

Whereas its Dornan himself who traduces swathes of innocent people by characterising us all as bigots. Hollyrood public standards is the correct place with solid evidence and political sponsor.

Interesting arrangement, sounds like a good idea.

Now that would contain a good bit of wording for a petition.

Thank goodness we no longer have the Martin Bain attitude of actively avoiding employing Rangers fans.

I'm very suspicious about this. Does this mean that they have 10 clips of Rangers fans in pubs that they can now wheel out, and claim even-handedness because they've shown one clip of Celtic fans?

There are many more pressing problems that have considerably more tangible damage on people and society in general. This is about pushing a relatively low level priority narrative that is orchestrated in a predictable fashion by a familiar cast.

Mrs. Gray is absolutely correct. She is highlighting typical R.C. cult behaviour of silence in the face of real problems. We've seen it from their church with child sex abuse, Liewell and Celtic, and from the SNP representatives. None of them will accept responsibility for the cult followers' actions.

How is this sectarian problem going to be solved? On the one hand we have Dornan - one-sided approach. on another we have Deputy Chief Constable Will Kerr and his approach - Police Scotland would "certainly not be going to arrest our way out of this", on yet another we have Deputy First Minister John Swinney who said football clubs had to "show much more leadership to their fan base" on sectarianism. Blame the proddies, no arrests and blame the clubs - deja vu !! Anybody confident that the results of our national leadership actions will be successful?

.............as long as you're on the correct SNP/Sinn Fein side. ............ Knights of St Columbus.............

Dornan is discussing this on Twitter tonight, though laughably claiming it supports his case for ‘strict liability’ even tims pointing out how absurd this is, as once again he is using something that did not happen in a football ground to support banning people from football grounds for this behaviour! I am coming round to the view that rather than just being a bitter tim, he really is just incredibly stupid. Him and Mason are the Beavis & Butt-head of the SNP. It’s frightening to think that our elected representatives are this thick, but sadly not surprising..

Going on their websites is literally wasting away one’s life. You’ll never get that time back.

1. Politics don’t belong in football, UEFA disbarred it, has SFA ? 2. Glorifying proscribed terrorist groups is in breach of the Terrorism Act. So it’s actually illegal

I thought this was a Rangers forum. Not mumsnet. ?

Here we go again. "It's not the SNP, it's only a couple of bigots who just happen to be SNP MP's." "You can't blame an entire party because some of its officials are anti-Rangers bigots. OK, most of them. OK, all of them but you won't find anything written down in policies." "There are lots of Rangers fans who vote SNP. Just because the SNP would like to see Rangers dead and buried doesn't mean you can't wear two faces hats." *???????

It's not just Dornan and Humza though. There's a much bigger list of SNP officials who have been anti-Rangers including O'Hara, McEleny, Hanley, McKenzie, Aitken, McDonald and Grant.

It does appear to be an over-reaction. I'm guessing sooner of it may be due to their politics which some may not like, so they're focusing on the wearing of balaclavas, even though it's done when marching behind police.

There is not a single person who would defend the obvious hypocrisy (and in my opinion, corruption) exhibited by these three, however what I remain unconvinced about is that the SNP as a party cares one iota about football, Rangers, Celtic, or any other club. These three attention seekers are clearly pro Celtic and definitely anti Rangers, but I don't think it does our cause any good when we divide our own support with these party politics. I have however gone down this route before and it gets us nowhere. I will however take the opportunity once again to say that the SNP does itself no favours by failing to address this matter with two of its members who are damaging the image of their party. By failing to address it, it does turn away potential voters. I know a few Rangers fans who voted SNP and who will never vote that way again. This is 100% as a result of the behaviours of Dornan and Humza. It is either because the party leaders agree (which I doubt), or because they are unaware of the effect they're having. Either way, it's a poor way to run a party, and in my opinion demonstrates weak leadership.

Some people bring balaclavas to the match so that they can applaud Kenny Miller on to the pitch.

Does Glasgow City Council issue the safety certificate for the stadium as it is? Is Police Scotland responsible for public safety and policing of events at present? Do Rangers put money over safety just now?

Sorry, but that's not true. I saw the last march and there were dozens from that one alone. This isn't about safe standing. It's about a group of supporters being unable to convince the club of their net value, and I agree with the club. I wouldn't agree to their wishes, and in fact wouldn't even consider it unless they clean up their image. It has a much wider detrimental effect. Many supporters like me don't know the difference between the Vanguard or Union bears (or other supporters groups), and don't really care normally. However, I was then initially put off the BBC demonstration for fear of being associated with that behaviour. If they really expect to get visits from the police after a peaceful protest, can I expect them to be in the same hoodies and balaclavas on the 16th March? If so, they ruin it for the VB and the rest of us. It's completely unnecessary. If they want to be Ultras, then fine, but if they're not going to protect the image of the club (and are not aware enough to realise it), why should the club do this? p.s. I would be in favour of a standing area, but for me (and I suspect the club), that's not the issue here.

It's fine. Wanting to kill someone due to political beliefs is all well and good...as long as you're on the correct SNP/Sinn Fein side. However, if you want to stick a nasty word about people who want to break up the UK into a song then Steve Clark will have a mental breakdown and the Knights of St Columbus (or Spiers, McLaughlin, English, Leckie and Haggerty, as you and I know them) will be springing out of their traps quick smart.

Notwithstanding the obvious error in the petition, I've also signed it. I've just been sent a tweet showing Celtic fans singing about killing Brendan Roges with a bullet from the IRA and yet not a single mention of this from Dornan or Humza. Both of them are corrupt hypocrites who will jump up and down because Steve Clarke received some abuse, and yet not a peep about Boyd, Morelos or Rogers. Why? We know the answer to that, and it's a national disgrace.

There seems to be a suggestion that the club has actively been discussing the move with them over a number of months. It seems strange that it's taken them this long to reach this decision if the rationale is as straightforward as you've highlighted. I guess it could be because there's been a staff changeover since then but it seems to be a straightforward reason.

Why would anyone like it? The term "Ultras" shouldn't be used as any kind of get out for the sinister aspect of their protests. In footballing terms it's a hugely negative thing IMO. "Ultras" need to grow up. There are countless and more positive ways to display your affection and support for a football team than simply copying and pasting a dated and ridiculous masquerade from the darker aspects of footballing fandom.

We have league 10 games left and 9 of them will be against the 'Top Six' with a difficult Motherwell (A) fixture being the other. Fri 08/03/19 PRE Hibernian 20 : 45 Rangers More info Sat 16/03/19 PRE Rangers 16 : 00 Kilmarnock More info Sun 31/03/19 PRE Celtic 13 : 00 Rangers More info Wed 03/04/19 PRE Rangers 20 : 45 Hearts More info Sun 07/04/19 PRE Motherwell 13 : 30 Rangers

Well this has been unexpected fun. A slip tonight or at the weekend would certainly add a bit of pressure to a club who don't always seem like they know how to handle it. I'm pleased Rodgers has left them. He's clearly an accomplished manager working with a big budget (relatively) and experienced players. I've always felt he might crumble if he was put under real pressure, but I thought it might require more pressure than one derby loss and only an 8 point lead! Lennon's an interesting appointment. From their perspective he knows the club and knows the league, he's inexpensive and available. From our perspective we won the league in his first full season, then came second when Administration hit us. His league wins were either when we were broken our no longer in the same league. I think he demonstrated at Hibs that he has the ability to motivate and organise a side who can compete, at the same time I don't think he's as good a coach as Steve Clarke. If we can keep building momentum we've got a real chance this season because Celtic will have stumbles. Rodgers being in England might come back and bite us in the summer. I could see him being interested in Alfredo for example, and Kent too. At the same time I expect he'll consider bids for some of Celtic's first team too. There's never a dull moment and the reaction of some of the celtic support has been a joy to behold.

We also mustn't forget that momentum is important, both in terms of still being in the Scottish Cup and also with an eye to consistency next season.