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Would you? I'd be disappointed if our custodians stooped to that level.

I'm guilty of that from time to time. The BBC is such a vast and disparate organisation I think all criticism of it has to be in context. I refuse to allow the poor professionalism of a handful of BBC Scotland Sport producers cloud my enjoyment of From Our Own Correspondent, Last Night Of The Proms or CBeebies. They are unconnected and rightly so. Anyone who judges the entire BBC because of what comes out of some quarters of Pacific Quay is making a mistake in my opinion. I'm genuinely supportive of the BBC, I approve of how they are funded and the editorial independence that affords them. When they make mistakes, and they do, I think they should be criticised for it. We're in a strange period just now, one I think will be studied by future historians. The demise of the written press in much of the Western world has created a vacuum that's not been adequately filled in my view. There has never been a better time for politicians or powerful entities and individuals to to do harm, because there are few organisations powerful enough to bring them to book. When I was born there were two daily evening papers in Glasgow, as well as the plethora of morning ones. This ensured councillors were scrutinised, decisions reported, individuals held to account. Not today, The Evening Times now barely functions as a newspaper, the Herald isn't much better. Nobody is watching closely at the City Chambers. That's the case across towns and cities the length of the country. Bloggers and websites haven't filled this void adequately. Very little 'reporting' is actually done online, few can afford to put the resources and time required. That's not changing anytime soon either. Which is why I'm reluctant to criticise the BBC when they do some things right and very keen to point out when I feel they are falling below their remit. We currently need them more than ever. We need an independent, powerful, credible media, both locally and nationally. Our club was almost destroyed in full view of everyone. Sir David Murray's words were accepted without scrutiny by too many in the media for fear of falling out with him (his only dissenting voices were from Rangers supporters) and Craig Whyte was likewise allowed to buy our club without real media scrutiny. By the time he was scrutinised it was too late. I hold organisations like BBC Scotland partly responsible for what happened to Rangers. Not the dancing on our grave stuff, or the risible 'Men Who Sold The Jerseys' documentary, an abject lesson in bolting the stable door when the horse is already in the South of France, no I want to know why they weren't much more critical of SDM and why they weren't asking far more searching questions of Craig Whyte. I think we need a functioning BBC in our society, more than ever. An organisation that can afford to upset some powerful or wealthy people without being concerned their advertising revenue will be affected. I really wish our dispute with BBC Scotland could be resolved. On a basic level I want to hear the same coverage of my side that every other side gets. I'll not manage to see the start of the Villareal game, but I should be able to hear it, if only their was coverage. I think Pedro and Murty were lucky they didn't have to face interviews post match after a number of our home games last season. From our perspective though it might have helped focus a few minds on the ruinous road we were headed down. But on a different level I want someone in the media to scrutinise our club's directors. Ask them difficult questions, demand clarity, hold them to account. BBC Scotland Sport aren't doing that on any level. We should be demanding they do, and not just at our club either. So I'll defend and criticise the BBC simultaneously, whilst hoping that someone there realises the responsibility and opportunity they have, and does something about it.

"And it so happened that I had already had a meeting with Lex Gold at the SPL because what we were willing to do was to extend the season because of the fixture pile-up that Rangers had and I was most disappointed when I got back to the office to receive this call to ask me not to help them in any way. "That really stuck in my throat." And why in the gods name did you not simply go on with your plan to extend the season? You may say that someone called you, but at the end of the day, it was you and your fellows to do what was right ... or wrong.

Get yourselves a digital radio you can program it for the stations you want to listen to and drop BBC Scotland ,I would rather listen to the wife than that crap .

Can I ask a genuine question of the forum community please? Why are so many of us in the rush to be even handed and purposefully objective, actually becoming apologists for a shamefully biased regional sports department of the national broadcaster? Look at the still on their website for the embedded highlights for our game at the weekend - Morelos pushing a Dundee player. The BBC shouldn't be placed on a sanitised pedestal whether it is covering sport, entertainment, politics, wars, or anything else for that matter. Dear old Auntie eh? Pffft!

Yesterday's coverage of our match against Dundee was more of what has become the PQ pattern. Transparency was the key word. DrStu' believes transparency will be achieved if the Review/Disciplinary Committee is made up of former players, as well as former Refs. He specifically stated the name of a fellow PQ employee who, "also wants an emancipated Scotland" to be involved. He went on to say that Michael Stewart would only willing to do it, if anonymity was guaranteed. He would rather avoid the social media storm that would accompany such decisions. Tick one for preferred prejudice. Big Dick hosted a twenty minute discussion on the same subject matter. Aberdeen are unhappy, Steve Clarke is perturbed, Neil Lennon has an interest, and everyone talked about kicking out and flicking a kick. Everyone was Wullie Miller, Billy Dodds and his EBT, Chick Young, Scott McDonald, and Alan Preston. Both Morelos and McGregor are guilty as sin and anyone else carded is provided with mitigation, including Neil Lennon aeroplaning. In the interests of 'transparency', we should know the make up of these three men panels. There was agreement that there is one rule for one club and another for everyone else. Tick two and three for preferred prejudice. It's interesting, we were told consistently that there was no need to know the identities of those disciplining our club, it wouldn't help the process. When McCoist questioned anonymity in the interests of transparency, it was Beeb Scotland that led the charge in ridicule. Oh, and if you are a license fee paying Bear, do not have the temerity to ask BBC Scotland which employee will be this week's FARE representative in Villareal? Further, Scott McDonald has some neck. Last season, he was correctly red carded for a flat of the boot lunging assault at a Rangers player and he appeared on Sportsound twice and on Sportscene once during the immediate week following his dismissal, to plead his case. That's right Scott, one rule for one ....... who else has such generous access? Objective appreciation occurs when all factors germane to the subject are thoroughly tested. Advantages and disadvantages are listed on each component. You arrive at a conclusion that can be advanced. A preferred conclusion that forces the equation to fit is corrupted absolutely. If you omit a constant factor, then your conclusion is false. The culmination of this twenty minute discussion saw Alan Preston in the final twenty seconds say, "Just because Rangers turned up with a Lawyer to bamboozle the committee doesn't make it right, kicking out at a fellow pro' compared with Neil Lennon aeroplaning on to the pitch, what's more dangerous"? Ninety-nine per cent of a discussion refusing to mention the crucial factor of a club participating in the process, fully armed; is omitted. Now, if one of Alan the Agent's players was the subject of an appeal and he was supported by a Solicitor/QC, would Alan the Agent utilise the word, "bamboozle"? To coverage of our game, Chico was 'monitoring' events. He began his team news from Ibrox by this introduction, "today's bottom half of the table fixture between Rangers and Dundee ......". Big Dick before the end of the show read out the SPFL table, "Hearts leading with a perfect fifteen points, Celtic and Livingston on ten points, and Hibs, St Johnston, and Rangers on eight points". Apparently, we are sixth; well, at least our next league fixture is top half of the table against the Saints one place above. Ah, that old adage about being accurate ensures objectivity?

Docherty seems to be liked. https://mobile.twitter.com/B_and_A_Fanzine/status/1040992627682881536

No, the point is that we might have achieved more.

Surely it wasn't Celtic? They were far too busy sorting out their Tour of Japan....

Thanks for that George. Only ten years too late.

If you like football grounds you might wanna visit "Hohe Warte" in Vienna. It's nothing special though these days as it's more a football field (for Vienna FC, oldest viennese football club) than a stadium. But in the 1920s it was the biggest natural stadium in europe with about 80k capacity. I'm not sure about the 24/7 service between Bratislava and Vienna but I'll check that. We suck this season (9 points after 7 games against the "easier" teams), our coach simply isn't good. Also our ultras want the coach gone since a month which might bring some problems for the match against Spartak on Thursday, especially after we lost the derby yesterday as there were some fans on the pitch after, wanting to have a little dance with the Austria Vienna fans. But no cop nearly died as I read on some sites, literally nothing happened aside from a few punches with the security. No idea how we should win any of the next matches including the one against you guys.

A public celebration of ignorance is surprisingly in vogue these days. It's eye-opening just how many presenters, journalists and former players are willing to publicly proclaim they don't actually know the rules of the sport they're being paid to comment on. I can easily excuse supporters not keeping fully abreast of law changes but not people whose very livelihoods surely depend on understanding and explaining football to simpletons like me. You wonder when a BBC Scotland Sport producer might suggest, forcefully, that the pundits they employ go on refereeing courses so they can understand the rules of the sport? Maybe even the journalists too. The fact that Aberdeen and Kilmarnock are unhappy one of their players didn't get a red card rescinded for a clear breach of the current rules isn't reason for a full blown investigation. Go learn the rules, it's completely clear why Naismaith and McGregor weren't sited and Killie and Don's hammer throwers weren't cleared. You might not like the new rules but you shouldn't be ignorant of them. You can't help but feel that had it not been the current Rangers keeper and a former Rangers player involved we might not be hearing quite as much about it. I actually think Richard Gordon is an accomplished broadcaster, but he doesn't even try to hide his personal animosity towards Rangers now, knowing it is not only tolerated but welcomed by many around him.

Probably because that’s not what he was applauded for.

Club urged SFA not to help Rangers in 2008, says George Peat 38 minutes ago From the sectionRangers Rangers lost 2-0 to Zenit St Petersburg in the 2008 Uefa Cup final Former Scottish FA president George Peat says a club chairman urged him "not to help Rangers in any way" amid a fixture backlog in 2008. The Ibrox side were competing on three fronts near the end of season 2007-08, having already won the League Cup. They lost the Uefa Cup final to Zenit St Petersburg and finished second to Celtic in the Scottish Premier League but won the Scottish Cup. "The prominent club asked me not to and I refused," Peat told BBC Scotland. Rangers played five games over 11 days at the end of the 2007-08 season, with the SPL responsible for the league fixture scheduling and the SFA having oversight of the Scottish Cup. The Ibrox side had two league games in hand and the finale to the SPL campaign was delayed for top-half sides from 18 May to 22 May so all six teams finished on the same day. After losing to Zenit in Manchester on 14 May, Rangers played rearranged league fixtures against Motherwell (17 May) and St Mirren (19 May) before losing against Aberdeen on 22 May as Celtic beat Dundee United to finish top of the table with a three-point lead. Rangers then beat Queen of the South in the Scottish Cup final two days later. When discussing his presidency from 2007-11, Peat was asked about what disappointments he had from his time with the SFA. And he explained: "There were certain things that disappointed me. One in particular disappointed me. "I remember when Rangers got to the final in Manchester. I got a phone call from a prominent chairman of a club requesting me not to help Rangers in any way. "And it so happened that I had already had a meeting with Lex Gold at the SPL because what we were willing to do was to extend the season because of the fixture pile-up that Rangers had and I was most disappointed when I got back to the office to receive this call to ask me not to help them in any way. "That really stuck in my throat."

Shocking and but not a surprising admission, we always knew there is a football club in Scotland that has the moral integrity of serial rapist. They tried to steal our trophies and league titles that they couldn't win on the park, they claim they have never been beaten fairly and squarely on the field of play since 1888, Sporting Integrity FC, don't make me laugh, cheating toerags lower than a snake tits.

A total stitch up - We all knew this was the case. The truth will come out about the financial aspects in years to come too

Name that chairman and his club no pussyfooting .

Why didn't he just tell the chairman to piss off?

Good to see/hear. I like the lad and would like to see him make something of himself at Rangers.

Looks like Villareal and Rapid have both had a dodgy start to the season. Spartak have started well but lost at home to a bottom half team at the weekend.

You can be objective and not succumb to apology mate. In fact, resorting to apology actually devalues your objectivity. Edit. N.B. In response to Buster's comments not 26th's.

Fifteen years past, Beeb Scotland did a series of Biographies on their main presenters, thirty minutes of what motivated, stimulated, and inspired them to become national broadcasting anchors. Big Dick was one such, his bio' opened with, "I was raised to hate Rangers, absolutely". This privately educated schoolboy had been extremely embarrassed some dozen years before, when he donned the Rangers club blazer and tie to a number of the official club videos during nine-in-a-row. He was suffering grief from his fellow Dandy Dons and he was intent on using the presented opportunity to establish his real credentials. Now, Big Dick had taken the monies offered and no doubt turned in a professional performance. Instead of standing up to his numerous hometown detractors, he went all 'Northern Light' and espoused hatred. Last season, he was reduced to reading out a list of incidents involving Rangers players that might interest the Compliance Officer. On Saturday, Tam Cowan wondered aloud at one point, just after Big Dick had been on Off/On the Ball after One O'Clock to promote Sportsound coming up in an hour, "Aberdenn have issued a very good statement, who's writing it"? Surely, Big Dick cannot be moonlighting as Aberdeen's PR? We should be told, particularly after all the on air grief Jim Traynor suffered after leaving the Beeb? Of course, Jum Spence did the very same for his beloved United, any number of them continually vie to do it furra Sellik, .......... etc. Here's the thing, imagine a license fee paying Bear went on Beeb Scotland and began, "I was raised to hate Richard Gordon, absolutely"? Nah, we are better than that. Listen to them carefully during this three year abdication of their responsibilities to us, and point out their continual massive lapses in professionalism.

Objectivity and supporting a football team are contradictory. However, as a publicly funded broadcaster, the BBC should aim to be objective but it doesn't. It's as agenda driven as all the rest. A big problem we have is that our ex-players all fall in line with PQ. We need our people to challenge them but they bend over instead.

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I watched some of the American Football coverage on Sky last night. The Yanks have a "Rules Guy" who is, surprisingly enough, an expert on the rules of the game, and on whom the commentators may call for an explanation, as and when needed. Streets ahead. I do not suggest that Scottish fitba' coverage requires the employment of a rules specialist, although it might be a handy wee earner for the SFA Compliance Officer, but surely one, or some, of the experts should be au fait with the Laws of the Game, and with season by season changes to them. Too many of these buffoons wing it, regularly, which in my view equates to trousering a salary under something gey close to false pretences.

The Scottish fibaw hacks revel in it or rarther use it to mask their own lack of professionalism. Knowledge of the European competition co-efficient was an area they didn't want to tread, with pundits regularly ridiculing those fans who made an attempt to get a handle on it, calling them 'anoraks' or some other derogatory term. Richard Gordon said he'd sat down with a ref last week and became aware of why Morelos had his card rescinded. Had he been listening to Sportsound a week or two earlier, he'd have heard Darryl Broadfoot explain the new interpretation and why it was brought in. Nobody seemed to be tuned in that night, not even those taking part.

Well written game report on the Dundee homepage ... https://dundeefc.co.uk/match/rangers-15-09-18/

Good podcast and thoughtful contributions from reasonable folk. Just a point on our rubbish PR. It’s not all the fault of the Scottish media, our club media or a plot against us by the Spanish Inquisition. A lot of decent folk support Rangers and we need to make our voices louder. we have a fair number of zoomers in our fan base who do harm us (we have a big support so it’s inevitable). Fan sites like this give folk a platform to have rational discussion and be passionate. Long may it continue and well done to Frankie. Apart from winning trophies and having good financial management the biggest part of our PR is our fan base. Here’s a simple suggestion to start and we can all do it tomorrow. If you see unacceptable stuff on social media for example (and there’s loads from Rangers fans and our enemies) go on there and call it out and tell folk it does not represent your club or you.

You can be certain that Andy Scoulding will be on the look out for potential replacements for all our saleable assets. That's why the structure of the club was organised in the manner that it has been in the first place. The footballing department looks to be in as good a shape as it has in a long, long time. This isn't a case of chequebook managers buying good to excellent ready made players a la Smith and Advocaat. This is proper business modelling from a footballing perspective. It's joined up thinking. They tried to do it on the cheap with Warburton and it backfired badly. Caixinha was an inexplicable case of bullshit baffles brains. Third time round, the board have dispensed with the cheaper option approach and look to have sorted it out. To think of the good money frittered away on the likes of Rob Kiernan and Harry Forrester...jesus! I'll be utterly astounded if Gerrard, Allen et al don't deliver.

Well played today, Ran Dundee ragged. Arefield the Sponsors MOTM Kent RTV MOTM and Candeias my man of the match. Just a word for Andy Halliday. You really are proving all your detractors were wrong. You are a fantastic squad player.